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Auria and .project file size

[Deleted User][Deleted User]
edited December 2020 in General App Discussion

I notice recently the file size of projects seems very large. Anyone else?

For example, I was finishing a project with 16 MIDI tracks, all with internal Fabfilter synths. There were a few Fabfilter onboard effect added in as well. The length of the song is about 4 minutes. Finally, all the tracks were frozen. I checked the file size, and it was 6.72GB - seems quite large for what the project includes.

Next I tried the project cleanup tool in settings. It actually made the file 0.01GB larger.

Lastly, I tried using Save Copy of Project function, and the project copy is about 800MB. But as soon as I open it and start doing some work on it, the files size goes back to very large.

I'm wondering some things:
1. Anyone else see this on their iPads?
2. Is the project cleanup function working properly?
3. Is the .project file ACTUALLY that large?
4. Is there a problem with the Files app showing larger file sizes than the ACTUAL .project file size?

Any help would be much appreciated!

iPad Air 2
Latest iOS (14.2)
Auria Pro v2.28

Comments

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @McM said:
    I notice recently the file size of projects seems very large. Anyone else?

    For example, I was finishing a project with 16 MIDI tracks, all with internal Fabfilter synths. There were a few Fabfilter onboard effect added in as well. The length of the song is about 4 minutes. Finally, all the tracks were frozen. I checked the file size, and it was 6.72GB - seems quite large for what the project includes.

    Next I tried the project cleanup tool in settings. It actually made the file 0.01GB larger.

    Lastly, I tried using Save Copy of Project function, and the project copy is about 800MB. But as soon as I open it and start doing some work on it, the files size goes back to very large.

    I'm wondering some things:
    1. Anyone else see this on their iPads?
    2. Is the project cleanup function working properly?
    3. Is the .project file ACTUALLY that large?
    4. Is there a problem with the Files app showing larger file sizes than the ACTUAL .project file size?

    Any help would be much appreciated!

    iPad Air 2
    Latest iOS (14.2)
    Auria Pro v2.28

    Have you tried looking in your project file to see what is in there. Project clean up works fine for me.

    To see what is in a project, use the Files app to copy your project to a desktop device or put it in Audioshare or Documents by Readdle which will let you look in inside the project (which is really a folder) and see what is making it be so large.

    Freezing files, creates audio files for each frozen bit. How many tracks are in your project and how long is it? 24-bit audio takes up about 15 MB per stereo minute at 44.1 kHz. Higher bit-depth or sample-rate will take up proportionally more space.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I will try looking on a desktop to see the actual file size.
    The project is 48/24, so we could say 20MB/stereo minute. 16 tracks, 4 minute song length = 16 x 4min x 20MB/min = 1,280MB. About 1/4th the actual ,project file size at 6.72GB. I think there may something going on here, but will be able to tell after checking the folder on desktop.

  • wimwim

    Hi @Mcm,

    Undo history, temporary files, etc probably make up the difference you're seeing in Aria. FWIW, file size reporting on iOS can be misleading. For instance, when a file is "copied", it isn't physically copied. Instead, a "pointer" (shortcut in iOS parlance) to the original file is created. The result is the file size being reported twice when physically its only stored once.

    The only way to get a true reading on the impact of file operations in iOS is to check the overall device storage before and after. (Do not check the individual app storage listings. The same files can be accounted for multiple times in the detailed listing.)

    Any before / after comparison should also be preceded by clearing the "recently deleted" folder in the files app.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    So when I made the project copy with the Save Copy of Project it makes another file with the same name and _bk appended to the file name. This one was 800MB reduced from the original file that was 6.72GB. Didn’t do anything but save a copy so quite puzzled why the huge file size of the original.
    Anyway I pulled this _bk file over to a laptop and everything was legit inside the folder.

    Will have to pull over the 6.72GB file over and see what’s in it to make it so large

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I pulled the 6GB .project file to a laptop and checked and it was the exact same size and contents as the 800MB file.
    So to answer my own questions:
    1. ---
    2. Yes
    3. No
    4. Maybe? Sounds like No with @wim explanation

    Now I wish I had that investigation time back for music making!

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