Ripplemaker (Bram Bos) in AUM - no bottom half

Zadude

I know there must be a simple answer but I lost the bottom half of ripplemaker in AUM so I can set the controls but cannot play anything. It is really annoying as it is fine on the Ripplemaker App just missing the bottom half when I open up AUM - and I use the app all of the time and would like to fix this.

Anyone know the simple fix?

Thanks,

wim

There's no sequencer in the AUv3 version of Ripplemaker. You will only see the sequencer in the IAA/Standalone version. You'll have to use another sequencer, such as Rozeta Bassline, Atom, LK, etc. if you want to have sequences playing on Ripplemaker as an AU in AUM.

You can use the IAA version too, but this isn't necessarily the best way to go.

[Deleted User]

I love the sequencer in Ripplemaker, miss it in AU. Rozeta baseline comes close but there is no way to control gate length (too short)

BladeRunner

You have been Rippled off.

[Deleted User]

@BladeRunner said:
You have been Rippled off.

😂

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Zadude

Ah so it wasn't me - thanks for the replies everybody. I think an earlier version used to work. I do feel rippled off now. The sequencer is half of the goodness of ripplemaker.

dendy

@Zadude said:
Ah so it wasn't me - thanks for the replies everybody. I think an earlier version used to work. I do feel rippled off now. The sequencer is half of the goodness of ripplemaker.

there was never sequencer in AUv3 version.. just in standalone...

devant

you might be remembering using it as IAA instead of AUv3 perhaps?

espiegel123

@Zadude: it would be a kindness if you would change the thread title as the behavior isn't specific to
AUM or a bug or new. A lot of people get their impressions of apps by scanning thread titles.

brambos

Yes, Ripplemaker is from the early days of AUv3, when Apple advised against putting sequencers in plugins. The host was supposed to handle the sequencing duties, the plugins were just supposed to provide the sound source. So that's the reason (it's also the reason why AUv3 historically have this odd letter-box format: to leave room for hosts to provide sequencing and keybeds and controls).

They have quietly changed their stance on this since iOS11, when they allowed plugins to become full screen.

Not intended to be a ripoff or a scam. Just following guidelines.

[Deleted User]

@brambos said:
Yes, Ripplemaker is from the early days of AUv3, when Apple advised against putting sequencers in plugins. The host was supposed to handle the sequencing duties, the plugins were just supposed to provide the sound source. So that's the reason (it's also the reason why AUv3 historically have this odd letter-box format: to leave room for hosts to provide sequencing and keybeds and controls).

They have quietly changed their stance on this since iOS11, when they allowed plugins to become full screen.

Not intended to be a ripoff or a scam. Just following guidelines.

I would buy a Ripplemaker AU sequencer without doubt.

I_sip_cupps

@despego said:

@brambos said:
Yes, Ripplemaker is from the early days of AUv3, when Apple advised against putting sequencers in plugins. The host was supposed to handle the sequencing duties, the plugins were just supposed to provide the sound source. So that's the reason (it's also the reason why AUv3 historically have this odd letter-box format: to leave room for hosts to provide sequencing and keybeds and controls).

They have quietly changed their stance on this since iOS11, when they allowed plugins to become full screen.

Not intended to be a ripoff or a scam. Just following guidelines.

I would buy a Ripplemaker AU sequencer without doubt.

The same sequencer exists in Rozeta unless I’m mistaken. Or similar at least

[Deleted User]

@I_sip_cupps said:

@despego said:

@brambos said:
Yes, Ripplemaker is from the early days of AUv3, when Apple advised against putting sequencers in plugins. The host was supposed to handle the sequencing duties, the plugins were just supposed to provide the sound source. So that's the reason (it's also the reason why AUv3 historically have this odd letter-box format: to leave room for hosts to provide sequencing and keybeds and controls).

They have quietly changed their stance on this since iOS11, when they allowed plugins to become full screen.

Not intended to be a ripoff or a scam. Just following guidelines.

I would buy a Ripplemaker AU sequencer without doubt.

The same sequencer exists in Rozeta unless I’m mistaken. Or similar at least

Do you mean bassline? Almost the same, not quite there. It is mostly for bass.

I_sip_cupps

@despego said:

@I_sip_cupps said:

@despego said:

@brambos said:
Yes, Ripplemaker is from the early days of AUv3, when Apple advised against putting sequencers in plugins. The host was supposed to handle the sequencing duties, the plugins were just supposed to provide the sound source. So that's the reason (it's also the reason why AUv3 historically have this odd letter-box format: to leave room for hosts to provide sequencing and keybeds and controls).

They have quietly changed their stance on this since iOS11, when they allowed plugins to become full screen.

Not intended to be a ripoff or a scam. Just following guidelines.

I would buy a Ripplemaker AU sequencer without doubt.

The same sequencer exists in Rozeta unless I’m mistaken. Or similar at least

Do you mean bassline? Almost the same, not quite there. It is mostly for bass.

I use it almost exclusively for percussion and plucks.

Zadude

Yes, Ripplemaker is from the early days of AUv3, when Apple advised against putting sequencers in plugins. The host was supposed to handle the sequencing duties, the plugins were just supposed to provide the sound source. So that's the reason (it's also the reason why AUv3 historically have this odd letter-box format: to leave room for hosts to provide sequencing and keybeds and controls).

They have quietly changed their stance on this since iOS11, when they allowed plugins to become full screen.

Not intended to be a ripoff or a scam. Just following guidelines.

Just joking - your app is not a rip off at all - in fact, I think it is brilliant. As are the others - just with there was a way in AUM to use it as you intended. Keep making great apps - I for one think your work in this field is game changing!

Will

fwiw, I'd happily buy Ripplemaker 2 with no new features other than the sequencer being attached in the AU. I loooove this app but it's quite similar to Noir in my mind in that the sequencer is a critical part of the app (the way I tend to use it anyway). Obviously, many sequencers are available to attach to it via auv3 but the immediacy of having it attached is worth extra money to me. I'd pay double(?) if it actually implemented the Noir sequencer where velocity (etc) could be targeted at controls.

wim

+1 for Ripplemaker 2 with sequencer. Sadly Bram would get crucified in the reviews if he did make it a separate purchase.

On the other hand, he could double-down and do a half-off sale. You still pay full price, but you don’t get the sequencer half of the app!

oceansinspace

I know you can use Rosetta as AU and basically mimic ripple or noir, but I do use them in standalone for the sequencers. Even when I just use a 2 note seq I find the ripple and noir seq Nice enough to rock standalone. Interesting to note the reason apple advised against it early on. I love Ripplemaker so much too, merry Christmas!

I_sip_cupps

@wim said:
+1 for Ripplemaker 2 with sequencer. Sadly Bram would get crucified in the reviews if he did make it a separate purchase.

On the other hand, he could double-down and do a half-off sale. You still pay full price, but you don’t get the sequencer half of the app!

He could make it a proper sequel with new modules and the sequencer with perhaps some builtin fx like a spring reverb.

oat_phipps

@despego said:
I love the sequencer in Ripplemaker, miss it in AU. Rozeta baseline comes close but there is no way to control gate length (too short)

I love brambos, but this was the one decision he made that truly baffled me and kept Rozeta from being a staple. I’m sure there’s a logical reason behind the decision...but that decision still sucks after all these years. Just plain bogus. Criminal, even. Only so adamant about it because I pulled it out literally 2 hours ago for the first time in a while thinking “Surely, the gates can’t be as short as I remember.” I remembered correctly

reasOne

the sequencer is awesome so is bass line, love how you can set how many times it repeats and then auto advance it to the next loop or whatever. one of the best designs on ios

oat_phipps

@reasOne said:
the sequencer is awesome so is bass line, love how you can set how many times it repeats and then auto advance it to the next loop or whatever. one of the best designs on ios

Then explain to me why bassline doesn't have gate length 🙅‍♀️

wim

@oat_phipps said:

@despego said:
I love the sequencer in Ripplemaker, miss it in AU. Rozeta baseline comes close but there is no way to control gate length (too short)

I love brambos, but this was the one decision he made that truly baffled me and kept Rozeta from being a staple. I’m sure there’s a logical reason behind the decision...but that decision still sucks after all these years. Just plain bogus. Criminal, even. Only so adamant about it because I pulled it out literally 2 hours ago for the first time in a while thinking “Surely, the gates can’t be as short as I remember.” I remembered correctly

Rozeta Bassline was an implementation of the Troublemaker sequencer. The Troublemaker sequencer was analogous to the TB-303 sequencer, which had a fixed gate time. The way you got longer gates in the TB-303 was to tie them together with slides, which is what you do in Troublemaker and Bassline as well. Bram already explained why he didn't include sequencers in the earlier AU apps. Rozeta Bassline was a Midi AU replacement for it.

Probably doesn't change how you feel about it at all, but there's the logic behind it.

oat_phipps

@wim said:

@oat_phipps said:

@despego said:
I love the sequencer in Ripplemaker, miss it in AU. Rozeta baseline comes close but there is no way to control gate length (too short)

I love brambos, but this was the one decision he made that truly baffled me and kept Rozeta from being a staple. I’m sure there’s a logical reason behind the decision...but that decision still sucks after all these years. Just plain bogus. Criminal, even. Only so adamant about it because I pulled it out literally 2 hours ago for the first time in a while thinking “Surely, the gates can’t be as short as I remember.” I remembered correctly

Rozeta Bassline was an implementation of the Troublemaker sequencer. The Troublemaker sequencer was analogous to the TB-303 sequencer, which had a fixed gate time. The way you got longer gates in the TB-303 was to tie them together with slides, which is what you do in Troublemaker and Bassline as well. Bram already explained why he didn't include sequencers in the earlier AU apps. Rozeta Bassline was a Midi AU replacement for it.

Probably doesn't change how you feel about it at all, but there's the logic behind it.

Yeah, I knew as much, though I was being purposefully obtuse about it. Wouldn’t it have made sense to add another tiny separate AU that was a more traditional sequencer (aka the same thing with an added 25-50-75-100 gate option)? Seems like a gaping hole left unfilled in a suite of such well-rounded basic tools. That hole’s been filled by other stuff now, but I still want the brambos to do what I think it should.

[Deleted User]

@oat_phipps said:

@wim said:

@oat_phipps said:

@despego said:
I love the sequencer in Ripplemaker, miss it in AU. Rozeta baseline comes close but there is no way to control gate length (too short)

I love brambos, but this was the one decision he made that truly baffled me and kept Rozeta from being a staple. I’m sure there’s a logical reason behind the decision...but that decision still sucks after all these years. Just plain bogus. Criminal, even. Only so adamant about it because I pulled it out literally 2 hours ago for the first time in a while thinking “Surely, the gates can’t be as short as I remember.” I remembered correctly

Rozeta Bassline was an implementation of the Troublemaker sequencer. The Troublemaker sequencer was analogous to the TB-303 sequencer, which had a fixed gate time. The way you got longer gates in the TB-303 was to tie them together with slides, which is what you do in Troublemaker and Bassline as well. Bram already explained why he didn't include sequencers in the earlier AU apps. Rozeta Bassline was a Midi AU replacement for it.

Probably doesn't change how you feel about it at all, but there's the logic behind it.

Yeah, I knew as much, though I was being purposefully obtuse about it. Wouldn’t it have made sense to add another tiny separate AU that was a more traditional sequencer (aka the same thing with an added 25-50-75-100 gate option)? Seems like a gaping hole left unfilled in a suite of such well-rounded basic tools. That hole’s been filled by other stuff now, but I still want the brambos to do what I think it should.

I would have been great.
If I remember right bass line is also restricted to a couple of octaves.

@reasOne said:
the sequencer is awesome so is bass line, love how you can set how many times it repeats and then auto advance it to the next loop or whatever. one of the best designs on ios

Which reminds me of one of the major downsides of the suit: the auto advance feature relies on beats and bars but “bars” are always 4 beats so now you’re sequencing in 3/4 or 5/4 and go figure.

I found out about this with the Cells app which I believed was perfect for my needs... how disappointing!

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@I_sip_cupps said:

@wim said:
+1 for Ripplemaker 2 with sequencer. Sadly Bram would get crucified in the reviews if he did make it a separate purchase.

On the other hand, he could double-down and do a half-off sale. You still pay full price, but you don’t get the sequencer half of the app!

He could make it a proper sequel with new modules and the sequencer with perhaps some builtin fx like a spring reverb.

If he sold the Ripplemaker modules as separate AUs I’d probably buy most of them.