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The real beauty about Camelot Pro is that you can use as many instances of an app as you want. You can assign different effects to each one and you don't have to assign each to a different midi channel. It's my understanding that Keystage 2.0 will do this. Camelot will also read the list presets in an app and display them in a dropdown list within Camelot which means you don't even need to open the app itself to choose a preset (doesn't work for all plugins).
Hi everyone,
Things are finally going as planned, and so in 4 or 5 days I’ll submit KeyStage 2.0 to the App Store.
Great news! Looking forward to a test drive
¡Esto es una noticia sensacional!
Game-changer 4 live keyboardists is coming!
https://www.facebook.com/KeyStageLive/posts/756416224976940
I’m using an iPad live (or was, when live was happening) with AUM , audiobus, lots of synths and patterning, hooked up to my novation xstation which has two audio outputs so I can run one out for the keys and one for the drums. Using a midi foot pedal to switch drum patterns in Patterning. Took me a long time to get it all running smoothly!
https://music.apple.com/ca/album/spectator-6/1522925006
nice tracks!
New forum member, first post. Good timing for me on this thread, as I play in local bands.
I currently gig with a pair of hardware Nords, but will be working to progressively move more work to the iPad as it proves itself. I've figured out most of what I want to eventually do, with just a few bits to go. So far, plugging it all in is working well -- but even a small glitch can ruin your gig experience. And my existing rig is utterly reliable.
I'm using KeyScape/AUM to orchestrate things, and am slowly adding instruments and FX. Nothing I do can really be driven by a clock as I'm always playing with a live drummer and tempos can vary. I'm connecting via a Tascam-branded audio/midi USB interface to a powered Lightning adapter, and am happy with sound quality so far.
KeyScape's ability to intercept and modify the hardware controls means I don't really have to change my live workflow much for the time being, e.g. turn a knob on the Nord and it can control both hard and soft synths. At some point there's going to have to be a hard cutover to an iPad-centric rig, but that's out a ways. Instruments like organs, samples and synths are coming across nicely.
I can't say the same for piano sounds -- APs, EPs, etc. -- nothing seems to offer what I've already got in hardware. Yet.
Products like the SWAM instruments are game-changers for me. Take my money, already!
Things I haven't figured out yet:
I've enjoyed the discussion so far. Count me in for a dedicated sub-space to discuss this topic.
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@LeesKeys -- thanks for the pointers. I suppose I'll give them a try at some point, although I'm not optimistic about memory requirements!
I use them on a 2016 iPad Pro with no issues. Some of the files are purposely downsized for IOS. If you decide to try some soundfont files, don't use Bismarck I-16 for your soundfonts player. Very bulky and buggy.
Sub-space or category. Yes. Yes.
For redundancy. Load some apps on an old iPhone or even iPod. Back when I was using an iPod for backing tracks. Left was music tracks to FOH/Monitors and drummer then Right was the click to the drummer and the band members that wanted it if they had in ears. We always had a song, not necessarily on the set list, that we could do without any backing tracks. This gave me the time to figure out the situation and come up with a solution.
We rehearsed the tracks not working, we rehearsed tracks shutting off during a song. So the drummer would have a plan. he had both Music and click so if one or both went out, he would continue as steady as he could using just the snare and hit the China on the upbeat we would all immediately know something was up and he would hit the China 4 times and we ended on a sustained chord.
We all had iPhones with the tracks and click on a playlist ready to go at any second. So we had the iPod and 4 back ups. Which meant we never needed them 😀
It was great to have plan b and c, it gave us confidence and we all knew what to do, there was no confusion. So it was a great comfort even though it was never tested live.
Back before the plague I forgot to put my iPad in my gig bag, with my keytar. Got to the venue - realized it, had moment of nausea and panic I remembered I had my phone and could just download the app to my phone. Well it was an iPad only app!
Panic strikes again!
But hey I have GarageBand on my phone and it has more than enough sounds to make it through a gig in an emergency and it is free! No longer have to poop!
Our bassist had a back up iPad for his Mackie mixer and said hey I will buy that 40 dollar app for you on my iPad. Boom thanks Ryan!, Now Ryan has a back up for me too!
Good News!
Thanks so much!
How are people finding keystage 2?
It's great! I play with a dance/pop covers band, and use it to control my setup.
I have five main apps that I use for sounds: Galileo 2, Pure Synth Platinum, Synthmaster 1, iSymphonic and sEGments, plus the sounds from my main keyboard (a Numa Compact 2).
Controllers: the Numa, a second keyboard (just for MIDI), and a sample pad.
Keystage 2 stitches everything together nicely. I can build setlists, show my chord charts, route around MIDI data, and bring all the apps in as AUv3s. I just have to be careful I don't load too many apps for one song, as I only have an iPad 2018 basic.
I have had the occasional glitch, but I think some of that is down to my Numa Compact. It does some strange things sometimes - I had to factory reset it last night. I don't think it was down to Keystage. I do find the PDF chord charts don't load sometimes, but I think that is down to a temporary iPad overload as Keystage loads the new songs in. It's quickly sorted out anyway, not a big deal.
For live players I'd recommend it. I've never used Camelot so I can't compare, but I have no reason to switch.
I use my iPad on live gigs only to Bluetooth backing tracks to my PA while I play keys and sing, but I’m soon going to use it in more ways. I’m late to the iPad music game, but it has so many great sounds I really need to take advantage of them.
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I'm a lead vocalist who plays a bit of guitar so not a keyboardist, but in prevous gigs with my alt-rock band I have used Samplr and SpaceCraft live on stage as well as Model 15. Always a bit stressy to make sure everything is set up correctly, but great when it works.
Great to see this thread alive. I played some smaller and larger gigs with the iPad as the only sound source, and I'm still workin' with the Keystage 2. It's working flawless with one warning; check everything at home! When it works at home, then it works on the stage. Some AU aren't completely compatible with KS2 (and with other hosts too). If you carefully check everything, then you're safe.
My hint: if you layer sounds from different instruments, like pianos, then check them with so called final chord (triumphant chord) with the sustain pedal pressed down, and look at the DSP use. That's important.
My redundancy plan is to always use a keyboard with internal sounds as a controller.
As I've been getting back into keyboards (as opposed to acoustic guitar), I've planned to use my iPad Air 5 as the sound source, receiving midi through a PreSonus AudioBox 96 and from an old but reliable Roland A-37.
My only problem with this is that when doing things like open mics, there's barely enough time to set it all up. So for those jump-in-and-start-performing gigs, I'll just use my Roland FA-07, I think.
I like the depth of customization I can achieve with the iPad (via AUM), but I also like the instantaneous nature of turning on the FA-07 and accessing a studio set (16 channel performance setup).