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O.T.: An extraordinarily dark day in American history...
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What would you say the problem is?
Is this discussion really necessary on an audio technology and music forum?
I agree, but the Supreme Court has upheld arguments that it supports personal gun ownership 3 times now, so that interpretation is here to stay for the time being at least.
Like I said, it’s complicated...
He’s generally not a credible source.
Here’s the most clear footage I have been able to find. You can clearly see her breach the inner barricade despite repeated warnings. She is taken down with a single efficient shot (despite myself, I was impressed by the finesse displayed)
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks8gtj/clearest_view_of_a_terrorist_attempting_to_breach/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Solid historical background.
I can add that the current radical interpretation of 2nd amendment as a personal right to self defense was enshrined into case law in decision written by Antonin Scalia in the ‘80s. Scalia was mentor to Amy Barrett, the last Trump court appointee. (And it is in the Supreme Court that voter suppression can and may well be written into legal precedent.)
It's marked OT and in the Off-Topic forum. While it's an uncomfortable topic, it's definitely not necessary to click the link and read it.
Oops! Wrong thread.
The US has subverted more democracies than any other country in the world. It made me laugh when liberals would complain about the (probably fictional) Russian stuff, and were unaware that the US supported (and aided) Yeltsin's coup in the 90s.
Also the US is not very democratic. Sorry, but it's just not. Never had been, wasn't even intended to be. Massive voter suppression is a fact in every election, and any system where you have elected officials supervising elections is always going to be extremely suspect. Want to start a third party in the US - there are laws on the books in most states deliberately designed to make it extremely difficult. Other countries look at the amount of money spent on US elections with disbelief. Other countries look at the ways in which corporations are able to bribe, sorry donate to, politicians with similar disbelief. The presidential election was close, yet Biden won with 55% of the vote. The senate and the house were barely captured by Democrats, despite the fact that in every election far more Americans vote Democrat. Very few Americans vote in elections. US politicians leave congress hugely richer than when they went in - though for some reason nobody calls that corruption.
None of what is happening now is good, though it remains to be seen whether this is the start of something like the BJP in India, or simply the dying gasp of baby boomers - but the idea that this is a perversion of US democracy is silly. The system was already very broken. Biden ain't going to fix nothing. Democrats are part of, and benefit from, a broken system.
Same here.
Ahh, you can see who recorded that video on twitter in this video you posted but they have a red hat on so cant confirm if it was that twit or not. Kind of weird/scary that someone would lie about being a terrorist and brand themselves as such but this is the world we live in eh? Gotta get them upvotes! So whether it is or not them... stunning stupidity either way.
Oh and some woman was shot. Sucks to be so desensitized to this stuff now.
Yah. Too soon.
PS. i’ll burn out on it and start whining for the ‘hide thread’ button in a couple days.
For anyone in America this can’t (and shouldn’t) be swept under the rug. If we don’t make changes now they’re never going to be made.
Federal Reserve Bank
What needs to be changed? Crazy people feeding each others delusions online? Free mental health meds? Sounds like pinko doctor talk to me.
Exactly. I've always been apolitical. I have deep moral and ethical convictions, but don't feel those align with the actuality of politics. This was the first time I voted. A huge contributing factor to the state of today is that people want to bury their heads in the sand instead of discussing and addressing the issues.
For a lot of people, this is their community and the current chaos needs community support and discourse.
(Which raises the question: where's @McD?)
I just think Donnie needs to stop listening to Gil Scott Heron.
@LinearLineman
So you are also a son of Georgia? Whereabouts? I was born in Rome, GA., and (as of yesterday) proud of it
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Good find. She certainly was doing those things, though there was no need to kill her.
@Littlewoodg, I’m in Savannah. After my return from Istanbul I reunited here with my exwife who is now my girlfriend.... living life in reverse I hope to cheat death.
true dat
It seems to me the big story here, and the one that seems to be largely ignored (at least from what I've seen - would be glad to be wrong here) was the 'failure' of policing. A friend pointed out that they've been to multiple protests in DC over the years and they've never seen policing like that. There were no riot cops protecting the building, there's footage of cops just letting the protestors into the capitol. There's stuff like this tweet:
https://twitter.com/AdrianMorrow/status/1346941412479176704
It seems fairly clear that at best the capitol cops let the protestors in because they agreed with them, and at worst were active conspirators. One of the stories of the Trump years, which I think 2020 revealed to some degree, is that cops tend to be extremely right wing and believe whacky shit. They have been huge supporters of Trump (lots of police unions endorsed him, which is unusual). For a successful coup you need muscle - and cops have traditionally often been that source. I don't think the US is at that point, but a radicalized partisan police force (who are extremely violent, and feel victimized) is certainly a worrying trend.
While it is true that the U.S. has a reprehensible of interfering with the politics of other countries and undermining democracies, let’s not go down the path of acting like it is alone in this or pretending that Russia (and the Soviet Union before it) and China (to a lesser extent ... largely for practical reasons) have not been active players in the game of undermining governments whose policies we don’t like or subverting democracy game.
As far as American politics, while both parties are highly flawed, this “they are all equally corrupt and more or less the same” encourages people not to participate and undermines the possibility of improving things on the ground.
Change will be incremental...and change for the better won’t be possible at all if people essentially encourage others to disengage because “both parties are imperfect”.
Yes, the Democrats are deeply flawed. At the same time, we wouldn’t have hundreds of thousands dead and an out-of-control pandemic if we didn’t have the part of science-deniers in power — a party that has actively sought to sow doubt in knowledge and reason for years and has encouraged people to reject the practices that would make containing the virus possible.
NPR have an interesting take on it - the level of policing was set by the DC mayor , who called in the National Guard to take care of parking and the like - almost like they WANTED a riot....
https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/07/954349992/where-was-the-security-when-a-mob-stormed-the-capitol
"The city's arrest sheet lists only one person as being arrested on a felony charge of violating the Riot Act: Joshua Pruitt, 39, of Washington, D.C. He was taken into custody at the Capitol building, police said.
Protesters who violated Bowser's 6 p.m. citywide 12-hour curfew were largely dispersed from the Capitol grounds or arrested by late Wednesday.
Contee said not all people who gained entry into the Capitol building were taken into custody.
D.C. police will be releasing information later Thursday asking the public's help identifying individuals who breached the Capitol so that they "can be held accountable," he said.
It's unclear whether Capitol Police arrested people who infiltrated the Capitol and have yet to report those arrests. A representative for Capitol Police didn't immediately respond to a request for information.
Videos taken of the chaos appeared to show, at best, an unprepared police force easily overrun by rioters or, at worst, one that appeared to acquiesce to the mob. Unverified videos shared on social media showed a police officer taking selfies with some rioters who entered the Capitol, and another appeared to show officers moving barricades to allow a large crowd of people to approach the building."