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Does an app that can do this already exist?

skiphuntskiphunt
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A couple years ago @Hainbach did some videos where he was playing with some minidisk players. I can't find the one I remember seeing, but he goes through the menu on the minidisk and is able to put cue points throughout a long recording. He then plays back via shuffleplay creating this nearly random ambient composition. I want to say there might've been a very slight fade each time a cue jumped to the next cue.

I think you could also play back the cue points in order or reverse, but I don't recall for sure.

I'm curious if you can already do this with a current app. I think I could basically do it by chopping up a recording, having them all loaded as samples, then using something like @ka010 MM-1 Mute Master to randomly mute/unmute tracks.

Or, maybe something in Drambo can do this?

Perhaps it could be done with a Mozaic script?

At first, I thought this was what @brambos ' Gauss app was going to do, but I was wrong.

I can use the Sampler module that comes with apeMatrix, and then use an LFO to jump the playhead around the recording, but that's completely random.

What I'm specifically looking for is being able to specifically put cue points exactly where I want them within a long recording, then have the playhead either play the cue points in the order I want, forward, backward, or shuffle play/random.

Preferably there'd be a little fade between cue jumps. And preferably you could define how long each cue would play for.

Anything already out there in iOS audio app world that functions like this? Or could be made to function specifically like this?

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  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @skiphunt said:
    A couple years ago @Hainbach did some videos where he was playing with some minidisk players. I can't find the one I remember seeing, but he goes through the menu on the minidisk and is able to put cue points throughout a long recording. He then plays back via shuffleplay creating this nearly random ambient composition. I want to say there might've been a very slight fade each time a cue jumped to the next cue.

    I think you could also play back the cue points in order or reverse, but I don't recall for sure.

    I'm curious if you can already do this with a current app. I think I could basically do it by chopping up a recording, having them all loaded as samples, then using something like @ka010 MM-1 Mute Master to randomly mute/unmute tracks.

    Or, maybe something in Drambo can do this?

    Perhaps it could be done with a Mozaic script?

    At first, I thought this was what @brambos ' Gauss app was going to do, but I was wrong.

    I can use the Sampler module that comes with apeMatrix, and then use an LFO to jump the playhead around the recording, but that's completely random.

    What I'm specifically looking for is being able to specifically put cue points exactly where I want them within a long recording, then have the playhead either play the cue points in the order I want, forward, backward, or shuffle play/random.

    Preferably there'd be a little fade between cue jumps. And preferably you could define how long each cue would play for.

    Anything already out there in iOS audio app world that functions like this? Or could be made to function specifically like this?

    If you could do this easily in Beatmaker 3 by putting slice markers and then slicing to pads and randomly sending it notes. You could also use Auditor to put in markers in a file and using its slicer to export as an AppleLoop file and loading the file in BeatMaker and setting the pad to keyboard mode in which case notes will play different slices.

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @espiegel123 said:

    @skiphunt said:
    A couple years ago @Hainbach did some videos where he was playing with some minidisk players. I can't find the one I remember seeing, but he goes through the menu on the minidisk and is able to put cue points throughout a long recording. He then plays back via shuffleplay creating this nearly random ambient composition. I want to say there might've been a very slight fade each time a cue jumped to the next cue.

    I think you could also play back the cue points in order or reverse, but I don't recall for sure.

    I'm curious if you can already do this with a current app. I think I could basically do it by chopping up a recording, having them all loaded as samples, then using something like @ka010 MM-1 Mute Master to randomly mute/unmute tracks.

    Or, maybe something in Drambo can do this?

    Perhaps it could be done with a Mozaic script?

    At first, I thought this was what @brambos ' Gauss app was going to do, but I was wrong.

    I can use the Sampler module that comes with apeMatrix, and then use an LFO to jump the playhead around the recording, but that's completely random.

    What I'm specifically looking for is being able to specifically put cue points exactly where I want them within a long recording, then have the playhead either play the cue points in the order I want, forward, backward, or shuffle play/random.

    Preferably there'd be a little fade between cue jumps. And preferably you could define how long each cue would play for.

    Anything already out there in iOS audio app world that functions like this? Or could be made to function specifically like this?

    If you could do this easily in Beatmaker 3 by putting slice markers and then slicing to pads and randomly sending it notes. You could also use Auditor to put in markers in a file and using its slicer to export as an AppleLoop file and loading the file in BeatMaker and setting the pad to keyboard mode in which case notes will play different slices.

    I was looking to be able to do it without having to slice up the recording and creating a bunch of separate files... and so that I could move the cue points around if desired. Add/Delete markers... slide them around... then playback based on those markers/cues.

  • robosardinerobosardine

    I’m not sure if this fits the bill, but you could have a look at DJDJ. It has cue points and looping where you can allocate the loop lengths live as you play... and lots of other things too.
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/djdj-mixing-app/id1093437440

  • rs2000rs2000

    @skiphunt If you have Drambo, record or load the audio in Flexi, add and move slices and trigger them by keyboard keys. If you want fade-ins or fade-outs, you can either use an envelope module or use Flexi's builtin fade in and fade out controls. Depending on the launch mode, you can either have each slice play to its end or only play as long as the respective keyboard key is held. Also works polyphonically so you can layer sounds in any way you want.

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @robosardine said:
    I’m not sure if this fits the bill, but you could have a look at DJDJ. It has cue points and looping where you can allocate the loop lengths live as you play... and lots of other things too.
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/djdj-mixing-app/id1093437440

    thx. I have that and thought of the very few DJ apps I have that set cue points. But none will do what I've described

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @rs2000 said:
    @skiphunt If you have Drambo, record or load the audio in Flexi, add and move slices and trigger them by keyboard keys. If you want fade-ins or fade-outs, you can either use an envelope module or use Flexi's builtin fade in and fade out controls. Depending on the launch mode, you can either have each slice play to its end or only play as long as the respective keyboard key is held. Also works polyphonically so you can layer sounds in any way you want.

    That sounds pretty close. Do you have to actually "slice" up the audio into separate files? Or, does it simply add slice markers that you can move around, add/delete, etc.?

  • rs2000rs2000

    @skiphunt said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @skiphunt If you have Drambo, record or load the audio in Flexi, add and move slices and trigger them by keyboard keys. If you want fade-ins or fade-outs, you can either use an envelope module or use Flexi's builtin fade in and fade out controls. Depending on the launch mode, you can either have each slice play to its end or only play as long as the respective keyboard key is held. Also works polyphonically so you can layer sounds in any way you want.

    That sounds pretty close. Do you have to actually "slice" up the audio into separate files? Or, does it simply add slice markers that you can move around, add/delete, etc.?

    The latter. Just add one file and slice it.
    There has been a length limitation for audio files in Flexi though, I think it has yet to be extended one day.
    But you can add multiple Flexis on one track, that's also better for swapping out individual files.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @skiphunt said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @skiphunt said:
    A couple years ago @Hainbach did some videos where he was playing with some minidisk players. I can't find the one I remember seeing, but he goes through the menu on the minidisk and is able to put cue points throughout a long recording. He then plays back via shuffleplay creating this nearly random ambient composition. I want to say there might've been a very slight fade each time a cue jumped to the next cue.

    I think you could also play back the cue points in order or reverse, but I don't recall for sure.

    I'm curious if you can already do this with a current app. I think I could basically do it by chopping up a recording, having them all loaded as samples, then using something like @ka010 MM-1 Mute Master to randomly mute/unmute tracks.

    Or, maybe something in Drambo can do this?

    Perhaps it could be done with a Mozaic script?

    At first, I thought this was what @brambos ' Gauss app was going to do, but I was wrong.

    I can use the Sampler module that comes with apeMatrix, and then use an LFO to jump the playhead around the recording, but that's completely random.

    What I'm specifically looking for is being able to specifically put cue points exactly where I want them within a long recording, then have the playhead either play the cue points in the order I want, forward, backward, or shuffle play/random.

    Preferably there'd be a little fade between cue jumps. And preferably you could define how long each cue would play for.

    Anything already out there in iOS audio app world that functions like this? Or could be made to function specifically like this?

    If you could do this easily in Beatmaker 3 by putting slice markers and then slicing to pads and randomly sending it notes. You could also use Auditor to put in markers in a file and using its slicer to export as an AppleLoop file and loading the file in BeatMaker and setting the pad to keyboard mode in which case notes will play different slices.

    I was looking to be able to do it without having to slice up the recording and creating a bunch of separate files... and so that I could move the cue points around if desired. Add/Delete markers... slide them around... then playback based on those markers/cues.

    What I recommend does not create a bunch of files. An AppleLoops format file is a single file with slice markers. BeatHawk, Beatmaker 3 and sEGments can all use these and will let you use midi notes to play from the various slice markers.

    Btw, in BeatMaker 'slice to pads' does not create multiple files. It merely points the pads to the various slice markers in the file.

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @rs2000 said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @skiphunt If you have Drambo, record or load the audio in Flexi, add and move slices and trigger them by keyboard keys. If you want fade-ins or fade-outs, you can either use an envelope module or use Flexi's builtin fade in and fade out controls. Depending on the launch mode, you can either have each slice play to its end or only play as long as the respective keyboard key is held. Also works polyphonically so you can layer sounds in any way you want.

    That sounds pretty close. Do you have to actually "slice" up the audio into separate files? Or, does it simply add slice markers that you can move around, add/delete, etc.?

    The latter. Just add one file and slice it.
    There has been a length limitation for audio files in Flexi though, I think it has yet to be extended one day.
    But you can add multiple Flexis on one track, that's also better for swapping out individual files.

    Thanks!

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @espiegel123 said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @skiphunt said:
    A couple years ago @Hainbach did some videos where he was playing with some minidisk players. I can't find the one I remember seeing, but he goes through the menu on the minidisk and is able to put cue points throughout a long recording. He then plays back via shuffleplay creating this nearly random ambient composition. I want to say there might've been a very slight fade each time a cue jumped to the next cue.

    I think you could also play back the cue points in order or reverse, but I don't recall for sure.

    I'm curious if you can already do this with a current app. I think I could basically do it by chopping up a recording, having them all loaded as samples, then using something like @ka010 MM-1 Mute Master to randomly mute/unmute tracks.

    Or, maybe something in Drambo can do this?

    Perhaps it could be done with a Mozaic script?

    At first, I thought this was what @brambos ' Gauss app was going to do, but I was wrong.

    I can use the Sampler module that comes with apeMatrix, and then use an LFO to jump the playhead around the recording, but that's completely random.

    What I'm specifically looking for is being able to specifically put cue points exactly where I want them within a long recording, then have the playhead either play the cue points in the order I want, forward, backward, or shuffle play/random.

    Preferably there'd be a little fade between cue jumps. And preferably you could define how long each cue would play for.

    Anything already out there in iOS audio app world that functions like this? Or could be made to function specifically like this?

    If you could do this easily in Beatmaker 3 by putting slice markers and then slicing to pads and randomly sending it notes. You could also use Auditor to put in markers in a file and using its slicer to export as an AppleLoop file and loading the file in BeatMaker and setting the pad to keyboard mode in which case notes will play different slices.

    I was looking to be able to do it without having to slice up the recording and creating a bunch of separate files... and so that I could move the cue points around if desired. Add/Delete markers... slide them around... then playback based on those markers/cues.

    What I recommend does not create a bunch of files. An AppleLoops format file is a single file with slice markers. BeatHawk, Beatmaker 3 and sEGments can all use these and will let you use midi notes to play from the various slice markers.

    Btw, in BeatMaker 'slice to pads' does not create multiple files. It merely points the pads to the various slice markers in the file.

    Oh cool, that would work too. thx!

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    Tried both suggested methods by @rs2000 & @espiegel123 - both worked nicely. Though, the Flexi method in Drambo hits all of what I was after. And, all I have to do for random playback of the slices is set just one step in the sequencer and set the start slice to random. Every time it loops to that one step it plays back a different slice at random. And the builtin fade in/out in Flexi works perfectly for this.

    Thanks guys! :)

  • rs2000rs2000

    😃

  • KorakiosKorakios

    BM3 ,long recording and slicing = crash , just mentioning

  • ronniebronnieb

    mirack with the nysthi simpliciter should be able to achieve this with relative ease (if I understand you right)

    check the omri rundown -

  • rs2000rs2000

    Those Nysthi modules are fantastic. If I only had more time 😅

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @ronnieb said:
    mirack with the nysthi simpliciter should be able to achieve this with relative ease (if I understand you right)

    check the omri rundown -

    That’s pretty cool and does way more than I was after. I managed to figure it out despite not really being all that savvy with mirack. Would be fun to further experiment with.

    Though, the Drambo option is pretty easy, straightforward and ticks all the boxes of what I originally asked about.

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