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Cubasis 3 running over 50 tracks and 45 effects on medium buffer iPad Pro 11 2018

edited January 2021 in General App Discussion

Hi there guys, the recent Cubasis 3 update is really good on the iPad Pro 11 2018.
The multicore rendering and audio unit improvement is fantastic.
I have over 50 track and also over 45 auv3 if you count the Mixbox presets.
This is a mix I’m working on.
The song is a uni project supplied by professors.
Original song is “siren” by Georgia Wonder

Comments

  • Interesting... perhaps include a few auv3 synths with auv3 efx?

  • That’s pretty impressive.

  • 🥳👍👍👍

  • edited January 2021

    That's running on A12X chip?
    Impressive indeed.
    Can not say about achieving comparable results with a device running on A12 chip, though.

  • @israelite said:
    That's running on A12X chip?
    Impressive indeed.
    Can not say about achieving comparable results with a device running on A12 chip, though.

    I was interested in that as well as I have a 2020 iPad 8. Benchmarks aren't that far off the A12X.

  • @israelite said:
    That's running on A12X chip?
    Impressive indeed.
    Can not say about achieving comparable results with a device running on A12 chip, though.

    Yep that’s on my pro 11 2018.
    I also have an iPhone XR with A12. i might send the project to the iPhone, but need to change the Fabfilters and report back.

  • @Cambler said:

    @israelite said:
    That's running on A12X chip?
    Impressive indeed.
    Can not say about achieving comparable results with a device running on A12 chip, though.

    I was interested in that as well as I have a 2020 iPad 8. Benchmarks aren't that far off the A12X.

    They are almost the same. But i feel you might get a slight better performance on the 2020.
    Mine is the 2018 version 256 with 4GB Ram

  • @musikeer said:
    Interesting... perhaps include a few auv3 synths with auv3 efx?

    Could do that during the weekend and report back

  • @LinearLineman said:
    🥳👍👍👍

    💪🏾🤘🏾

  • @cyberheater said:
    That’s pretty impressive.

    Yep and by the looks of it i could add more effects.
    Increase the buffer and add extra effects.
    The Cubasis team did a good job and multicore-rending

  • @Paa89 said:

    @Cambler said:

    @israelite said:
    That's running on A12X chip?
    Impressive indeed.
    Can not say about achieving comparable results with a device running on A12 chip, though.

    I was interested in that as well as I have a 2020 iPad 8. Benchmarks aren't that far off the A12X.

    They are almost the same. But i feel you might get a slight better performance on the 2020.
    Mine is the 2018 version 256 with 4GB Ram

    I wonder if the extra gig of ram helps. I haven't made the move across to Cubasis from Nanostudio 2 yet but I am excited to do it soon but it's sitting on my iPad here after buying in the xmas sales. Need those audio tracks and freezing capabilities, not to mention AuV3 automation. Thanks for posting your results - great to see.

  • Sounds good...meanwhile Cubasis 2...can barely run one instance of Moog D auv3....

  • Just substituted it for a Cubasis micrologue preset instead....

  • edited January 2021

    @Paa89 How much instanstances of Model D you can run until it starts crackle ?

  • Looks like a good DAW. Will consider a DAW again at some point. Loads of tracks though is cool.

  • @dendy said:
    @Paa89 How much instanstances of Model D you can run until it starts crackle ?

  • Probably 2

  • @Paa89 said:
    Hi there guys, the recent Cubasis 3 update is really good on the iPad Pro 11 2018.
    The multicore rendering and audio unit improvement is fantastic.
    I have over 50 track and also over 45 auv3 if you count the Mixbox presets.
    This is a mix I’m working on.
    The song is a uni project supplied by professors.
    Original song is “siren” by Georgia Wonder

    Wow... Ableton Link to a second device would have made this a 'Must Buy'...

  • @IOSSOS said:
    Probably 2

    🤣🤣 let me check. Oh I’ve made a new video counting over 100 plug-ins and 70 tracks on my channel.
    I will test model d and let you know

  • @RajahP said:

    @Paa89 said:
    Hi there guys, the recent Cubasis 3 update is really good on the iPad Pro 11 2018.
    The multicore rendering and audio unit improvement is fantastic.
    I have over 50 track and also over 45 auv3 if you count the Mixbox presets.
    This is a mix I’m working on.
    The song is a uni project supplied by professors.
    Original song is “siren” by Georgia Wonder

    Wow... Ableton Link to a second device would have made this a 'Must Buy'...

    It’s still a good arsenal to have on ios, especially if you like to make music on the go without midi controllers etc.

  • @Paa89 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @Paa89 said:
    Hi there guys, the recent Cubasis 3 update is really good on the iPad Pro 11 2018.
    The multicore rendering and audio unit improvement is fantastic.
    I have over 50 track and also over 45 auv3 if you count the Mixbox presets.
    This is a mix I’m working on.
    The song is a uni project supplied by professors.
    Original song is “siren” by Georgia Wonder

    Wow... Ableton Link to a second device would have made this a 'Must Buy'...

    It’s still a good arsenal to have on ios, especially if you like to make music on the go without midi controllers etc.

    Looks like it... Thanks for posting..

  • @IOSSOS said:
    Probably 2


    Here you go. Model D needs to be optimised for iPadOS 14.3, Cubasis teams have done a good, job now other developers to optimise their apps

  • Model D is very good for checking performance ... you need just open blank project with no other plugins and keep adding.. It's very good of multicore support in Cubasis , if it has any impact to plugins (which i'm still not convinced it has).

    There is nothing to optimalise on Model D - it simply needs a lot of CPU - that's why it is good for such performance tests, you don't need to add to much instances to to fully load CPU.

    Runining tons of various plugins is not good test, it proves nothing about multicore performance or performance at all. It is hard to reproduce or compare on other device to get some comparable results.

    You need to have controlled standardised enviroment and then run SAME test on multiple devices and do comparation. Something simple which can be quickly reproduced pn any other device.

    Do this:

    Set Cubasse settings like this:

    (this sets buffer size 10ms and disables multicore support)

    • keep adding Model D until you star hearing crackles (put just simple melody or just one note on track)
    • i guess with 7th instance you get crackles
    • now go to settings and enable in section "audio emgime latency" multicore processing (set it to 20ms)
    • now - how many more Model D instamces you can add before you get crackles again ?
  • edited January 2021

    @dendy said:
    Model D is very good for checking performance ... you need just open blank project with no other plugins and keep adding.. It's very good of multicore support in Cubasis , if it has any impact to plugins (which i'm still not convinced it has).

    There is nothing to optimalise on Model D - it simply needs a lot of CPU - that's why it is good for such performance tests, you don't need to add to much instances to to fully load CPU.

    Runining tons of various plugins is not good test, it proves nothing about multicore performance or performance at all. It is hard to reproduce or compare on other device to get some comparable results.

    You need to have controlled standardised enviroment and then run SAME test on multiple devices and do comparation. Something simple which can be quickly reproduced pn any other device.

    Do this:

    Set Cubasse settings like this:

    (this sets buffer size 10ms and disables multicore support)

    • keep adding Model D until you star hearing crackles (put just simple melody or just one note on track)
    • i guess with 7th instance you get crackles
    • now go to settings and enable in section "audio emgime latency" multicore processing (set it to 20ms)
    • now - how many more Model D instamces you can add before you get crackles again ?


    This test is on iPone XR.
    Did the test and got 7 on 10ms and 11 with 20ms on.

    This is on the iPad pro11 2018

    Got 7 with multicore off and 10 ms latency. Then around 18-20 with 10 ms latency and 10 ms multicore
    But could Model D still be optimised ? Maybe yes.
    In regards to testing on various machines that’s a good idea, but at the same time, you can’t expect the app to perform the same way on all devices, depending on Cpu and ram.
    You might be able to run 3 or 4 logic sessions on a Macbook Pro but can only run one successfuly on the MacBook Air that doesn’t mean Logic is not good with handling Audio units.
    But then again i get your point.

  • edited January 2021

    @Paa89
    Got 7 with multicore off and 10 ms latency. Then around 18-20 with 10 ms latency and 10 ms multicore

    WOW !! Ok this is really big, almost 3x as much with multicore... this is amazing... So Steinberg really did it, it works :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

  • Am I getting this right?
    Multicore adds additional (significant) latency when enabled?
    I guess it’s not necessarily critical for typical DAW use, but makes it useless for monitoring internal and external audio together.

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