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iPads for Music Production
Really nice video with some good feedback and praise for some of our favorite pieces of kit on iPadOS:
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This was also mentioned here. I’m not familiar with the guy, but I really enjoyed his take on iOS music production.
I really don’t know much tech shit, but this guy had success with an Apple CCK, but he doesn’t seem to want to use it. He buys a $40 dongle thingee and it works but gets worried about the next iPad he might get. seems like massive overthinking.
Yet he can’t give it up. He doesn’t seem to know about AUM. Seems like a good guy, tho.
Thought the video was reasonably fair. Obviously I’m not going by the conclusion, just bought second iPad purely for music (will use other features and no doubt watch plenty YouTube but music was why it was bought) and neither is he (quite like this). His main criticisms seem to revolve round connectivity and Apple make operating/hardware changes that screw up musicians setups, which seems fair enough. I find this stuff frustrating, yet still the iPad is the most used and most fun device in my studio. He then marvels at how great a few iOS favourites are with much focus on Drambo (no Samplr which surprised me but maybe just not something he’s come across).
If you produce inside the box which is quite possible nowadays on a iPad with AU midi apps you only need the headphones dongle! Do Apple actually provide a USB C dongle at extra cost of course like the CCK of old ?
Most of the points he brings up are fair.
I can understand where he’s coming from with the MFI thing, but MFI only makes sense for the Lightning port which is obviously a closed, proprietary format.
MFi doesn’t make sense for USB-C as it’s an open format. That doesn’t stop it being frustrating when things fail obviously.
I’m surprised he had so much trouble with class compliant usb devices though. I haven’t had the same issues but I guess it’s luck of the draw.
Maybe now that Apple have made SoCs with two thunderbolt/Usb-C ports for the M1 the next iPad Pro’s will get an extra port? Not holding my breath for that though. Not that I’m in the market for an iPad that costs more than a MacBook Air anyway :-/
Same. I’ve played with quite a few interfaces and the only issue I’ve encountered was the SonicPort issue that eventually got resolved, and even then the USB class-compliant port of the VX worked fine.
I’ve tried a number of USB-C hubs now and they’ve all worked fine. I’m a huge fan of the move to the USB-C standard, and hopefully this puts an end to the Apple interface moving target.
I watch Benn though, and he’s definitely a smart, technical guy so I don’t suspect this is just user error.
I am absolutely not casting aspersions.
Just because Everything I’ve tried works fine doesn’t mean there won’t be issues with any other devices.
I have a MacBook Pro with usb-c too and everything I have tried works on both that and my iPad with one exception; I have a couple of USB sticks that don’t work with a particular usb-a to usb-c adaptor.
Everything I’ve tried works with dedicated leads without any issues including a Zoom U24 and an ancient Novation xioSytnh, both devices have audio and midi and all works as it should.
Obviously there are a gazillion more things that I haven’t tried so it’s a tiny sample.
But for anybody else having issues, I’d suggest trying a dedicated usb-c lead instead of using adapters before admitting defeat.
There will undoubtably be things that don’t work as they should.
Somebody somewhere is probably keeping a list of whichclass compliant devices work or don’t with usb-c iPads...
Here was my reply to this guy's video:
"Strange you didn't mention Cubasis 3 as it's the most professional DAW on iOS. Also given the fact that there's plenty of 1 to 1 quality comparisons from ipad to desktop with apps such as fabfilter, eventide, mixbox (none of these were mentioned) and a whole lot more it's also strange you can't recommend people at least start looking into it. You are doing your fans a disservice by scaring them away from new tech and ultimately they will be left behind when the ecosystem inevitably goes parabolic. Not everyone can afford a studio like yours, for the rest of us iPad is the best option. Overall I'm disappointed with the lack of foresight in this video."
The other side of the coin !
The video is 'on point' and will trigger 'iOS fanbois' to react, the above comment is proof enough
(Don't worry, I'm one of them too hehe).
Give Cubasis 3 a year or two to 'mature' a bit and it will get the praise it deserves...
When it gets support for AUv3 multi-in/out and a bit more flexible audio & midi routing It'll be a different beast.
Now I don't know how long you've been into music apps on the iPad but I've been in the 'iOS game' for >10 years now and it's starting to tax my patience. I no longer feel the urge to get a new iPad for music as my iPad Air 2 does it's chore as a sampler-fodder/sound-module for Renoise & LogicPro.
BM3 is still my favorite sampling workstation but it has it's fair share of issues that will take forever to fix, if they get fixed.
For 'peace of mind' I'm focusing on desktop for now...
...but will keep an eye out for new apps and iOS updates
Cheers!
Yeah i followed up with my comment as well:
Just wanted to mention that from my experience the following Audio Interfaces work just fine with the iPad Pro and USB:
SoundCraft 12MTK Mixer
FocusRite Scarlett 18i8 with Scarlett OctaPre
Novation AudioHub2x4
DigiTone shows up as an Audio Interface
Maschine+, OctaTrack, MicroFreak, Toraiz As-1 and Minilogue all shows up as a midi device over USB
The Apple Camera Connection Kit makes it all accessible even over a USB Hub.
I am quite pleased with how well the iPad connects to my gear as well as to my macOS via IDAM.
It just works
@Samu: You think Cubasis will surpass NS 2 when the latter finally gets audio?
Don't know really
My gut says and feels like we'll get AUv3 Multi In/Out support in Cubasis 3 and a major update to iOS GarageBand bringing it closer to the mac version of GarageBand and even get to see what iPadOS15 will bring before NS2 with Audio Tracks is here if it's even happens during 2021...
(Those on beta will likely not share anything about the NS2 audio-track progress and I respect that).
Sure I'd love to see most of my favorite apps get updated and fixed but It's highly unlikely...
...as almost no one 'works for free' and puts priority on something they can't make a living from.
So those projects that are 'work of passion' will get updated but the others I'm not so sure of
Cheers!
Just because your "patience is taxed" doesn't mean the ecosystem isn't moving forward because it is. Markets don't revolve around your personal preferences and take time to mature, 10 years is NOTHING. The first DAW was in DOS and it took 20 years after that for protools 1.0 to come out.
Surpass is a strong word as they both offer different workflows, once NS2 supports audio it will then only be down to personal presence to select either NS2 or CB3.
@MobileMusicPro : True. But Cubasis has a small team and keeps improving . NS2 rarely gets updates and improvements
Lol, I was just about to post the same
I do agree with most of the stuff he brings up...
Same could be said about BM3. It's just Vincent left coding the stuff if I'm not mistaken...
I only watched the first video, but given my current day to day I can’t see migrating away from iOS anytime soon. I totally agree with the obsolescence/connectivity issues, but with each generation there’s usually something to replace whatever was being used. Not to say it’s not a pain in the ass but it’s never a dead end street.
I’m not looking to do this as a career, or in a live situation, and for what I’m writing the iPad and whatever apps are at hand are more than enough. It’s really easy to go back and forth between “well, this feature, and what if this” ad naseum, and I am guilty of doing this all the time, but I find the more I worry about the “what if’s” and logistics of feature lists I get nothing done.
That’s my two pence anyway. There’s definitely a lot of shit about iOS that’s super annoying, but the trade off of super portability makes it totally worth it (for my station in life right now).
Tl;dr - not everyone will be happy with everything/anything ever lol.
What i love most about the iPad is that it allows anyone with an iPad to create the music and art we all possess in our souls. Everything is within reach once you have an iPad...and in the long run will sound and look as amazing as the time you put in to it.
We all know the expression,”It’s a poor crafts person who blames their tools...” or something like that.
@Samu : Exactly .. Same deal
+1
Can’t lose sight that’s it’s making the tools more affordable and accessible to a lot of people.
I think going from a pro musician/audio background into a using an iPad for production can be a frustrating exercise.
Put the iPad in the accessory pile and it makes more sense.
Trying to work with Cubasis was the worst time I've had. Never again!
The iPad is the best VST/AU anyone doing electronic music could ask for 😬🤓
Yep. I agree with all of the above. It's a nice notebook for musical composition as well. Also, it's can be a very quick place to jam on an idea.
@BroCoast : “Never again”? Why?
In general I don't like working with IOS DAW's beyond the sketch stage. I start to get frustrated with the touch screen, file system and everything that makes an iPad what it is.
I'd rather focus on the strengths of mobile devices which is in my opinion the incredible instruments and sequencing tools.
He expected BM3 to just work like it should...
The file system is what made me go back to Mac as my primary music device. I still can’t seem to figure out the files app. Finder would make the iPad so much easier for me to use.
But I love iPad as an accessory- whether it’s as a control surface, a sometimes sound module, and especially for taking notes with the pencil so my adhd self doesn’t lose paper, it’s indespensible. And I do love getting song ideas down quickly in GarageBand and being able to open them in logic later.
Definitely one thing iOS has going for it though- no ilok, cloud based authorization, challenge/ response codes, etc. That can be such a pain. I had to get a protools subscription so I can refresh on how to use it for an audio engineering class I’m teaching, and the hoops just to install it are frustrating. I never thought I’d say I’m most comfortable in logic but right now that’s true. I have been mixing in studio one for the past few months but I think I’ve had it with that, there are some things that I just don’t find smooth in it even though there are so many things to like. Logic really just gives you everything you need in one program, and I don’t even use that much stock stuff.
I don’t know what I’m rambling about really. My sleep schedule is screwy, avoiding whatever it is I’m avoiding...