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Nice gadget @arktek, thanks for posting!
@rs2000 it is a very reliable piece of gear and for the price remarkable value. I haven't had any issues with this over the last couple years of use. I have the 100Mbit version which is fine, but the 1Gbit version would be just as handy I would suppose. No drivers, just pure connection.
Thanks for the tip. Have you tried it with SonoBus to see if it works well?
I wonder if Digitech in Australia is a different company than the one in the U.S. I find similar products in the U.S. but not with that name.
After some hunting, I found a report that the Anker USB 3 gigabit Ethernet adapter works on an iPad (the non-hub version). It is less than $20 U.S. The 3 port hub version is $29.95 but I haven’t found any reports as to whether it works well with the iPad.
I am curious as to whether the hubs work with the CCK (I.e. whether the lightning power provides enough to power the hub)
I have ordered a single port one as this could be a GAME CHANGER!
Just making sure you know that you can record your stems in AUM all at the same time and then AirDrop the stem folder to your Mac? It is likely faster (with less latency and jitter worries) than getting SonoBus working for this use.
Been working with SonoBus a few times and even with some latency, it's a much better workflow than having to deal with the nonexistent iOS file management 😋
You just record the audio track in your desktop DAW and it's there. Done.
Tracking a realtime iOS performance without intermediate steps? Easy.
This is exactly what I hoping for. I have a CAT6 1000 gbps network so hoping latency is going to be minimal! Will report back tomorrow. Very exciting times.
IMHO the most important aspect of Sonobus is constant latency so all i have to do inside the desktop DAW is move the audio track a bit to the left until it aligns well.
Try it and don't hesitate to report if latency fluctuates (jitter). 👍🏼
When you say constant do you mean each track is in sync just all tracks are consistently out with anything already in Logic?
Yes, that's the point 😊
With loopback (sending/listening on same machine ) and 24-bit uncompressed audio, I was getting jitter with range 10-20 ms. Not really noticeable but i did have some dropped samples in a three minute test which were audible enough that it would have been a problem in a serious recording. I need to test some more to see if that was a rare or common occurrence.
WiFi or wired Ethernet?
wifi but I am under the impression when you use localhost as the address that the packets should get looped back internally without being sent to the router though I didn't test to see if that is actually the case.
If there is a "sync'd constant" lag then no worries for me! I will say this....
Actually, the Sonobus support is definitely good. I had a question regarding servers etc on a Saturday night. Emailed and had a response in my inbox next morning. @espiegel123 I am going to give this another go with the Ethernet cable and keeping things off the Internet today. I tried last night, but couldn’t get the plug-ins to see the server on the Mac. I think my addressing was out because I can send Ableton Link over the connection without any issue. The instruction is that the stand alone version works as a server as well, so you fire up the stand alone app on the Mac, aim the clients at the server’s machine address and add port 10999. Apparently this should work.
I’ll update here once I’ve tried it out.
Sorry you're right, I've skipped that part, my bad.
Worth reporting without doubt.
@arktek, @NimboStratus: Yeah, Sonosaurus / Jesse's support has always been great all the time.
Server and client must use the same port number(s) and the IP addresses must be correct, just a reminder...
Ableton LINK uses rather small packets and it's optimized for getting members as phase coherent as possible.
Sonobus is very different in that it has to scoop a lot more data over the network so the mechanism to keep timing intact is a much more challenging one, especially over WiFi.
For anyone experiencing issues with SonoBus, make sure you also check the forum:
https://groups.google.com/g/sonobus-users
OK. Got it to work. First test - I have the iPad and the MacBook connected via an Ethernet cable. I created a manual IP address for both of them so they are on the same subnet and so that I don't have to think about what address they are on. I opened the standalone application of Sonobus on the Mac and left it alone. I then opened Bitwig on the Mac and AUM on the iPad. Inserted a Sonobus instance on an audio channel in Bitwig and one in an AUM channel with an instance of Gauss as the sound source. Set my Ethernet addresses manually on both the Mac and the iPad so that they are in the same subnet. Pointed each inserted instance at the Mac Ethernet IP address with port 10999 (in this instance 192.168.9.2:10999) in the server field and hit connect on both of them. Audio received in Bitwig. Seems to be pretty clean on PCM 24 bit. Latency is around 15 to 16 each way. The jitter buffer is 13ms. So as a basic first test it works. I'll now go ahead and test multiple channels and sending from the Mac to the iPad which should just work I would think. Starting to get a little bit excited. 🙃
I discovered that I don't need to actually do anything with the standalone app except open it to have it work as the server. I was prepared to build the SOO server from the Github source but it looks like I might not have to.
The bonus part for the Ethernet connection is that I can run Ableton Link to sync things. Not sure what this will do to the audio connection, but that's part of the fun isn't it?
Here is a test that I did to measure jitter. Perhaps you can try it.
Now, you have an audio file on your Mac and an audio file in AudioShare. Open them both in a sample editor that lets you switch between a tempo-based via and a time view.
Compare the initial offset between the first note recorded in both files. This gives you your initial offset.
Trim the any offset before the first beat from both files. If your sample editor can be set up to line up the files (I used Auditor on the iPad because it is awesome for this). Zoom in so that you can scan through the file and see if there is any variance in the file recorded on the Mac.
The file I recorded in AUM was spot on from start to finish with no variation. The file recorded in NS2 varied a little bit. Not enough to hear any flams but you could see that there was some variation in that file not seen in the other file. In Auditor, both files get zoomed and scrolled together so it is easy to see where things don’t line up.
As I said the jitter was totally acceptable. The only glitch was a one time event where a few samples seemed to have been lost.
My USB ethernet adaptor arrives today. I'll try multi channel from AUM into Logic. There would appear to be two ways to handle the multichannel aspect of this
Multiple instances on SB on each AUM track logging into different SB groups, so AUM track 1 SB logs into group1, 2 into 2 etc. Then a SB FX slot plugin on each Logic track, each logging into the individual groups - i.e. group1, etc
Jesse alluded to a better way of doing it so you have just one instance of SB on either side but waiting to hear back how to do it.
@espiegel123 SonoBus uses version 2 of AoO, the Audio over OSC library. I've just checked the repo and found this:
It would be good to know if SonoBus can use these features, I haven't found anything in the settings.
Here's how to do the Logic routing part!
I tried to connect my iPhone and my iPad both running sonobus in AUM. I can get connected with local IP address but sonobus claims that ‚the other end is muted‘ although I didn’t mute anything. The worst is that I could find no way to unmute. What am I doing wrong?
So you have SonoBus running in AUM as an effect and logged into the same group? Check both ends as there is a MUTE button on both.
Ah man, the ethernet adapter needs too much power! Back it goes, does a powered one exist?!
The one I got doesn't have enough power for my iPAD! Cannot seem to find one that is powered. Back to square ZERO.
My hub works great with the CCK and this provides enough power to connect my Arturia minilab MKII and an external drive and the Ethernet works great. The Ethernet part will run without needing extra power when I don't have anything else plugged in - just tested it to make sure. Biggest issue I have is the 4 year old battery in the iPad is starting to go downhill fast, but that's not related to the Ethernet connector.
@arktek which one do you have?
@espiegel123 gave it a bit of a whirl and it looks pretty decent. I don't think auditor likes me very much so I'll try some other editor tomorrow, but from what I can see and from what I was monitoring it seems pretty decent. In Bitwig the waveforms seem to be pretty consistent. There is a little bit of drift, but it's within the ballpark. I used a kick in GR - 16 so the waveform is reasonable. Might try something a little sharper tomorrow as in a hat or something.