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Jam Maestro Version 3.0 Live.

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  • Question for @JamMaestro (or perhaps a user can just answer it for me) - is there a way to export a guitar/bass tab as a piece of sheet music or any other kind of document that can be viewed outside of the app? I see how to export entire projects to DropBox, but I had assumed you could write guitar parts and then create a document that has that music on it to print with a computer. Maybe I'm just missing it...

  • I haven't found any way to export as a tab document so I don't think it's possible.

  • I know you can export tabs in .jam format, but don't know if any other app other then JM can view them.

  • I just got JM the other day and I'm having a blast with it but I do have a few questions.

    Is there any way to play harmonics in JM? Is there any way to capo in JM?

    Also I was looking forward to trying some other tunings but it looks like there are limitations and some tunings are not possible at the moment. Being a huge Nick Drake fan I was looking forward to trying out his BEBEBE (or up a half step to CFCFCF) and his CGCFGE tunings but this isn't possible at the moment. Are there any plans to add more tunings? No huge deal as I can still play a real guitar. :)

    I really like JM a bunch!!

    Thanks!!

  • Huh. I thought it was just me. Okay, well then since I've been pimping the product left and right, I'll throw out there as a suggestion one day for version 3.1 or 4.0 that there should be a way to export the tab music. I know I could just read it off the device, but it's be nice to have something more convenient/permanent, especially if you write something on the app that you want to play with real guitar.

    One of the "little things" about this app I noticed: he advertises that he painstakingly recorded thousands of samples for the instruments, and if you play an open "A" string on a guitar or bass, there are different samples recorded for the open string sound versus the same note on a the 5th fret of the E string. As guitarists know, it's the same note but a huge difference in the voicing of an open string versus a fretted note. A lot of work and love went into this app!

  • @StormJH1 PDF/midi export are my most demanded features at the moment, so its definitely the next big features that I want to add in. Those features are self contained things too (ie I dont have to hack apart anything else to fit it in), so they should be able to be included without too much trouble and released as they're ready rather than as a massive update with everything relying on everything else working as 3.0 was.

    @yowza No way to play harmonics I'm afraid. As for the tunings, I could potentially pitch shift some of the lower notes a few frets down and some of the high notes a few frets up to account for a wider range of available tunings, but I definitely noticed a big timbre different on all frets on a string when downtuned, so I dont know if it would sound any good. Regretting not recording all the strings 2 steps down as opposed to just the E string for Drop C, but at the time I was just focused on having a working app! I I ever re-record to do different velocities then I wont make that mistake again. Capo is definitely possible at some point, someone sent me a video of a guy only using capo on the top 3 strings too, with the bottom 3 remaining open. Never seen anyone do that before but thought it would be pretty fun to have that functionality. No idea Nick Drake used such funky tunigns either!

  • @JamMaestro - Question regarding "MIDI In/Out" functionality. Does the app support VirtualMIDI as an input? I swear that it does, but I can't figure it out.

    For example, the drum kits in JM are excellent, so I tried using an external MIDI sequencer to control the drums. But how do you do this? I loaded up a kit and make sure I had background audio turned on (it seems to default to "off" everytime I load the app). My sequencer "MIDI Editor" identified JamMaestro, so I set both apps to channel 10. But the normal trigger for a kick drum would be C1 or C2 - I tried through the notes and no instruments were playing.

    Am I missing a step?

  • @JamMaestro said:

    @funjunkie27 no problem at all :) beta testers are under no obligation... and there will always be next time!

    I would love to incorporate keyboards. As discussed with Morris though, there is the technical hurdle of how to display notes played by the keyboard in the tab that has to be overcome first. With guitar strings you have 6 channels (represented by 6 lines), as you cannot play more than 1 fret on each string at the same time. With piano you could potentially play 88 notes at the same time. There needs to be a sensible and intuitive way to program in piano notes in something as easy to understand as tab, that doesn't require 88 strings to do so :) Thats just the tip of the problem but if you can think of any solutions I'd be most grateful. Where Morris and I got to when we had a discussion about it was have 12 or so channels and key notes are dynamically allocated to a channel as they are played, but then do you have to retroactively swap channels note are played on so they stay in hierarchal pitch order or what? Tricky....

    From guitar players perspective for mapping pitches to the fretboard I have a few thoughts on voicing (selecting which guitar fret/string combo to play a particular pitch at.):

    1) One possible way one could map MIDI notes to the fretboard be to use defined positions/forms, such as the CAGED positions/forms. For example, allow us to set a default form, say the E form and voice the pitches in the E form for that key. Optimally let us prioritize all 5 forms in both octaves and voice the note in the first one that matches. One should be able to turn off forms as well, like those that over want to use the D or E forms. (For the guitar players that think CAGED is POS, I am only using it as an example, I personally don't care what positional system is used, but CAGED is probably the most well known position system on the fretboard.) You could also let users define and name their forms forms/positions and provide some common presets. Scales also impact the positions/forms design.

    2) Once the note voicings are added, we should be able to edit them. Have a way to select a fret number on the tab and all other fret numbers are greyed out. At the same time the tab would display the other possible string/fret numbers for the other voicings of that pitch. Maybe color coded by position/form as defined above. The user could select a different voicing for that note.

    3) Being able to revoice by changing the position/form priorities would be a killer option as well. Its a real pain revoicing note by note.

    I revoice a lot and typically use Guitar-Pro on my Mac. I'd buy JamMaestro just for this feature if I didn't already have it as long as I can import/export MIDI/"standard tabs" or such as well.

  • @StormJH1 it does indeed support Virtual Midi as an input. Not sure exactly why yours isn't working, I just tested this with Thumbjam myself and it worked fine. Here are the steps I took:

    1. Load up a drum kit in Jam Maestro, being sure to enable 'Respond to incoming midi messages' down the bottom under Midi In for that instrument.

    2. As soon as any instrument is enabled to listen for Midi In as above, then background audio should be enabled automatically. Go to Options, Midi and you should see this is now automatically switched on.

    3. You can check what drum pads respond to which midi notes by going into that drum kit, and viewing it in the grid mode. In the top right you should see a button there called 'Midi Notes'. Pressing this will display which pad responds to which midi note number. You can see a translation of those midi notes to corresponding piano keys here: http://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html

    4. Go into Thumbjam, Midi Options, and select 'Note Output' for Jam Maestro under 'Midi Output Connections'. You might also want to mute the sound of the internal instrument in Thumbjam so you can hear the drums more clearly. Slide your finger across all the thumbjam notes and you should hear some drums play when your finger goes over a corresponding drum pad. For example C2 (midi note 36) should play the bass drum.

    5. Why Midi Editor isn't working I am not sure. But if you can get it working in Thumbjam hopefully you can diagnose why it isn't in Midi Editor. One solution you could try is also enabling 'Listen for Global Midi Broadcasts' under the Midi In section (where you enabled 'Respond to incoming midi messages' for your loaded drum kit. This will listen for conventional midi messages the traditional way (as they are sent in hardware etc), rather than virtual midi messages (which have the ability to be directed to a particular app only, rather than broadcast to everything generally). Maybe the Midi Editor virtual midi implementation is not working properly?

    6. You set your own channel as to which your instrument listens on - by default its OMNI so it would have responded on channel 10 anyway, but its up to you what you set this on. If you've set it to respond to a specific channel, make sure its listening on the correct channel in Jam Maestro as you are sending from Midi Editor.

    Hope that helps! Let me know how you get on.

    ps. backpacking at the moment so don't always get a chance to check this forum. Can always email me on the website though if you have a question.

  • @BigDawgsByte Thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy reply! Unfortunately I'm not quite sure what you meant by CAGED positions/forms etc, and without that starting block a lot of what you said was lost on me! I should add though that any solution to implementing a keyboard needs to foremost be intuitive and as uncomplicated as possible so that it doesn't get in the way of the writing/creative process. Perhaps you could explain further what you mean't by positions/forms.

    I did have a brainstorm with someone a few months ago on a potential way to implement the piano which got further than I have gone so far. Some good ideas thrown around. Still a long way from taking the plunge on that feature right now though! Going to be in the UK for xmas hopefully for a few weeks... if circumstance and time is on my side I'm going to investigate implementing the PDF export feature if I can. Thats next on my list anyway.

  • @JamMaestro - Thanks for the response! You fixed it - I literally didn't get past Step 1. Was using my iPhone, so perhaps it cut off more of the screen where you select the kits - I didn't see all the MIDI options in that menu. Found that, and it's a nice touch to have the instruments labeled by MIDI Note Number.

    Works great! Thanks.

  • @JamMaestro great responses which sent me right back to the app.....good stuff :)

  • edited November 2014

    @JamMaestro said:

    @BigDawgsByte Thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy reply! Unfortunately I'm not quite sure what you meant by CAGED positions/forms etc, and without that starting block a lot of what you said was lost on me! I should add though that any solution to implementing a keyboard needs to foremost be intuitive and as uncomplicated as possible so that it doesn't get in the way of the writing/creative process. Perhaps you could explain further what you mean't by positions/forms.

    I did have a brainstorm with someone a few months ago on a potential way to implement the piano which got further than I have gone so far. Some good ideas thrown around. Still a long way from taking the plunge on that feature right now though! Going to be in the UK for xmas hopefully for a few weeks... if circumstance and time is on my side I'm going to investigate implementing the PDF export feature if I can. Thats next on my list anyway.

    Check this link. They do a better job explaining than I probably can: Caged guitar system. The general overview is that the system divides the fretboard into separate sections with only one of each pitch in each section. Each section has about two octaves of pitches and repeats 12 frets up the fretboard an octave higher. Note that the position/forms are tied to scales and keys.

    No problems and no hurry for me, thanks for the response. I more wanted to kickstart the discussion on mapping MIDI to a guitar fretboard than push my solution. I'd be happy to discuss in more detail if it ever percolates to the top of the list.

    Enjoy the Holidays and the UK!

  • Played around with this some more today, and I'll admit it - I forgot how cool this app is. It's also one of those apps that does SO much that it's easy to forget you can use it for specific tasks. For example, as a rock drum sequencer, alone, it's worth the price of admission. But, similar to Fiddlewax Pro, I think it gets lost a bit by the fact that it most excels as a sketch tool for creating music, not necessarily producing audio products from the app alone (though it can do that with IAA, etc.). Some of the suggestions we made earlier in the year, such as being able to export MIDI files from the app, or export music full music scores and guitar tab PDF's would be really interesting additions for song composition.

    One bug I am noticing that seemed to be repeatable - I was getting a fair amount of crashing on iOS 8.1 on my iPhone 5s. (Not a slow device by any means). When playing the drums, the app seemed to crash when I switched from landscape to portrait orientation. Happened twice in a row. Maybe an anomaly with my device, but thought I'd mention it.

    Thanks again for the feedback!

  • @StormJH1 just preparing a 3.0.3 update with some crash fixes, I was debating submitting it today as I'm in a place with good internet at the moment, but we'll see. It would be good to try and see whats happening with your orientation problem. Do you think you could sync your crash logs to your computer and send them to me? Maybe it will give me a clue as to what is causing the crash. Instructions on how to do that here: http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/retrieving-crash-reports-on-ios . If you manage to retrieve them can you forward them to support[at]jammaestro[dot]com with your best guess at instructions of how to replicate the issue (or at least what you were doing at the time of the crashes) ?

    @BigDawgsByte that CAGED stuff sounds really interesting! If i had a guitar with me and more time to practice I'm sure it would be good to learn properly. Are you proposing to use that in order to map piano notes to the guitar fretboard though? From the text you quoted of me in your first response it looked like you were proposing that as a solution to solve the issue of how to implement a keyboard into the app, and overcome the problem of how to play multiple notes on the piano without new notes stopping the old notes (as on guitar, if you play a new note on the same string, it stops the old note playing on that string, so its easy to manage, but on piano this of course doesn't happen... so the problem is how to incorporate that dynamic into the current system). However not quite sure how CAGED would help for that? If you're proposing it just as a way to control the guitar via a keyboard with Midi In - don't worry, I already came up with a solution for that when 3.0 was released, so it already works :)

    @JohhnyGoodyear thanks :)

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