New Hardware Synths by Korg: Modwave, miniKorg, ARP 2600M

R_2

@u0421793 said:
I think one of the problems is that if they took the keyboard off and make a desktop module in the style of the Minilogue desktops, people would appreciate not having to pay for a keyboard in cost and space

Minilogue XD desktop is more expensive

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Regarding ‘Pro Music Composers’ not using hardware synths: @rs2000 has the Wavestate, can’t get more ‘Pro’ than that

Oh, and Kush Jones did an EP with it:
https://kushjones.bandcamp.com/album/the-state-of-the-wav

TheSoundKid

@GovernorSilver said:

@TheSoundKid said:
Sometimes I think why these powerful hardware synths are not yet used by world renowned pro music composers.

At first I thought you meant pro film composers, but why not, let's roll with that.

Hans Zimmer seems to own every hardware synth ever made. Somebody tried to do an Equipboard for him but I suspect only a tiny percentage of his hardware synths are represented here - there are photos of him in his studio with huge modular stuff in the background
https://equipboard.com/pros/hans_zimmer

Mark Isham is another pro composer/film composer who has some Youtube videos showing his studio with his modular synths and other hardware goodies

I saw some posts from composer Charlie Clouser about Prophet X, Waldorf Quantum, etc. how he uses each, pros and conss, etc.

May be here and there.. who know they might be put for “Sponsored exhibition”. Most of the interviews are filled up with ‘words of DAWs & other software’. For those, Time is money..

TheSoundKid

@u0421793 said:
I think one of the problems is that if they took the keyboard off and make a desktop module in the style of the Minilogue desktops, people would appreciate not having to pay for a keyboard in cost and space, but then think “wait, now all I’ve got is a box of knobs and displays, the software of the synth itself is not really much different to what I have on the iPad etc” (which costs even less). If there was a module form of the Wavestate I’d wonder why buy it instead of iWavestation and a knobby controller. The difference in capability is more than compensated by the difference in cost. Same with modwave, why not be happy with Korg’s Wave app and a controller. Or no controller, just put up with knobs on the screen (which is never satisfactory unless one is on a train or something).

The desire snakes don’t descend the utilitarian ladders like that with actual analogue quite so much.

Finally you opened the ‘company secrets’ 🙄😂.

GovernorSilver

@TheSoundKid said:

@GovernorSilver said:

@TheSoundKid said:
Sometimes I think why these powerful hardware synths are not yet used by world renowned pro music composers.

At first I thought you meant pro film composers, but why not, let's roll with that.

Hans Zimmer seems to own every hardware synth ever made. Somebody tried to do an Equipboard for him but I suspect only a tiny percentage of his hardware synths are represented here - there are photos of him in his studio with huge modular stuff in the background
https://equipboard.com/pros/hans_zimmer

Mark Isham is another pro composer/film composer who has some Youtube videos showing his studio with his modular synths and other hardware goodies

I saw some posts from composer Charlie Clouser about Prophet X, Waldorf Quantum, etc. how he uses each, pros and conss, etc.

May be here and there.. who know they might be put for “Sponsored exhibition”. Most of the interviews are filled up with ‘words of DAWs & other software’. For those, Time is money..

Here's Charlie Clouser talking about his hardware synths. You're free to conclude for yourself if he's lying about using hardware. I don't see how he would benefit from lying about it, unless every hardware synth company on the planet is paying him to say he uses their stuff.... at the same time....

https://i.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/gkf9r7/im_charlie_clouser_a_long_time_ago_i_played/

I can't say I know every composer who walks the Earth but none of the composers that I have met in person have said that they would not use a powerful hardware synth, if given the opportunity. I don't understand why any of them would have a reason to lie about that.

Carl Stone and Ikue Mori are the only composers, outside of dance or pop music, that I know of who have fully committed to ITB (no hardware). I get the impression more composers are like Morton Subotnick and Suzanne Ciani, who tour with Buchla modulars and other hardware.

Anyway, everyone has a right to their personal view of the world.

u0421793

Oh well, this arrived just now

R_2

Congrats Ian! Sawed off the keys already?
Looking forward to your opinion/vids.

Btw, wrong thread though
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41913/hardware-korg-opsix-sq-64#latest

u0421793

@R_2 said:
Congrats Ian! Sawed off the keys already?
Looking forward to your opinion/vids.

Btw, wrong thread though
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41913/hardware-korg-opsix-sq-64#latest

Oh, that thread in which I basically don’t mention the OpSix but only talk about the Behringer Cat 🐈‍⬛ instead.

Telstar5

What’s the closest thing to Korg Modwave on iOS? Timeboosters Flowtones? I sure wish there was an iPad editor for this thing.

ashh

Just got a Modwave. I quite like that it's got a sequencer, keyboard and onboard samples. I'm going to pair it with an LXR02 drum machine and see what happens.

ashh

@auxmux said:
Modwave is like two instances of Serum stacked or SynthmasterOne. Unless you really want a hardware digital synth, there are plenty of options in software already. For parameter sequencing which those don't have, you could always use an external sequencer for midi cc like Drambo, miRack, or Stepbud.

@GovernorSilver said:
Wavestate = Wavestation 2.0 in small keyboard. 2.0 is the Wave Sequencing 2.0 stuff, VA filters (MS-20, etc.)

Modwave = DW8000 2.0 in small keyboard. 2.0 is Motion Sequencing in 4 lanes, 5 LFOs, VA filters, generally more up to date wavetable synthesis, not to be confused with vector synthesis (Wavestation). Instead of Wavestate's Wave Sequencing, you get modulation up the wazoo.

That's how some folks have been spinning it.

@Sandstorm said:

@GovernorSilver said:
Wavestate = Wavestation 2.0 in small keyboard. 2.0 is the Wave Sequencing 2.0 stuff, VA filters (MS-20, etc.)

Modwave = DW8000 2.0 in small keyboard. 2.0 is Motion Sequencing in 4 lanes, 5 LFOs, VA filters, generally more up to date wavetable synthesis, not to be confused with vector synthesis (Wavestation). Instead of Wavestate's Wave Sequencing, you get modulation up the wazoo.

That's how some folks have been spinning it.

The whole point of the DW8000 was digital waves with an analogue filters, seems Korg have come up short again.. shame really!

Starsky Carr talks about the DW8000 comparison in this video. He's not having it either. He does like the Modwave, despite that. He also thinks it's most like a hardware Serum.

stown

Wavestate mk 2 with ability to load your own samples sounds REALLY intriguing. Anyone have experience with that?

rs2000

@stown said:
Wavestate mk 2 with ability to load your own samples sounds REALLY intriguing. Anyone have experience with that?

Yes, the desktop software for mapping samples works quite well and there's plenty of flash storage available for instant loading 😊

GovernorSilver

@ashh said:

Starsky Carr talks about the DW8000 comparison in this video. He's not having it either

Yes, posting about a Modwave to DW8000 comparison was a mistake on my part.

stown

Sorry for belated reply @rs2000... was caught in OT crunch for last several months. Is there a traditional sample crossfade for the samples? I looked through the manual but it didn't cover the sampling stuff, and I couldn't find a manual for the editor. I'm aware there is a "crossfade" for the wave sequencing or whatever it's called, but I'm interested in the classical sample xfade at the sample level. I think the Korg demo of the sampling had some serious popping at loop points...