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If not using external instruments, any point in using an audio interface instead of headphone jack?

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    @tja said:
    Anybody reading this has experience with a not-too-expensive interface that allows to change the sample rate off Lightning iDevices at least up to 96 kHz, better yet 192 kHz?

    Irig Pro IO is able to use up to 96kHz and is still mobile (compatible with iOS/MacOS/Windows). There are more compact iRig solutions too.

    I’ve read some users here had great luck with super compact Audioquest Dragonfly DAC products and were able to change sample rate, even black model goes up to 96kHz.

    https://www.audioquest.com/dacs/dragonfly

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  • @tja said:

    @Janosax said:

    @tja said:
    Anybody reading this has experience with a not-too-expensive interface that allows to change the sample rate off Lightning iDevices at least up to 96 kHz, better yet 192 kHz?

    Irig Pro IO is able to use up to 96kHz and is still mobile (compatible with iOS/MacOS/Windows). There are more compact iRig solutions too.

    I’ve read some users here had great luck with super compact Audioquest Dragonfly DAC products and were able to change sample rate, even black model goes up to 96kHz.

    https://www.audioquest.com/dacs/dragonfly

    Thanks a bunch.

    The DragonFly Red was my original goal, but it is limited to 96 kHz ... i tried the Q1, because it offers higher sample rates.
    But sadly not for an iPad, as it seems.

    Nothing that allow to go up to 192 kHz?

    What makes 192 kHz critical for your?

    If you are using softsynths, you may find that 96 kHz and 192 kHz limit what you can do as they require a lot more computation than 44k or 48k

  • @mangecoeur said:
    Interesting discussion - I've been doing the ipad music thing casually for a year or so, felt no need for an audio interface. Feel like all the tutorials sell them pretty hard, but I don't have monitor speakers (would piss off my wife and neighbors), don't have external instruments, all my midi controllers are bluetooth or usb... I never noticed anything wrong with Apple's A/D converters (ok my AKG241s are nothing delux, but they are pretty sensitive), I doubt there'd be a detectable difference with an interface especially at low volumes.

    A big plus is I sit wherever without being tied down with cables and boxes.

    You may hear a difference using a headphone amp/ converter with your akg’s- it depends on the impedance of those. The 240’s that are not the 240 “studio” take a lot of power to make them sound loud enough without being strained. My q701’s sound decent with the headphone jack but my fiio amp definitely sounds better and has more power. It’s rechargeable, so you don’t have too much extra stuff hanging off if you want to use it. But, I don’t use it a ton with iPad because I don’t wind up using my akg’s that often with it.

    But I think it was about $50, so it might be worth it for you.

  • @Strizbiz said:

    @mangecoeur said:
    Interesting discussion - I've been doing the ipad music thing casually for a year or so, felt no need for an audio interface. Feel like all the tutorials sell them pretty hard, but I don't have monitor speakers (would piss off my wife and neighbors), don't have external instruments, all my midi controllers are bluetooth or usb... I never noticed anything wrong with Apple's A/D converters (ok my AKG241s are nothing delux, but they are pretty sensitive), I doubt there'd be a detectable difference with an interface especially at low volumes.

    A big plus is I sit wherever without being tied down with cables and boxes.

    I used to use an Avid Fast Track Duo and wanted to record in HD, so I bought an Apogee Duet for IPad/ Mac. I have to admit I was REALLY surprised at how much better it sounded, even when not recording in HD. The converters on the Duet are much better and detectable from the Fast Track or Ipad converters, I had my brother who also produces music come over and a week later he bought one lol. The best way I can describe it is like I went from hearing my music from 2d to 3d.

    I haven’t heard the Apogee Symphony desktop in person yet but I’ve heard it sounds even better and I believe it tbh.

    The duet sounds really good. There’s no doubt that the symphony is on another level from it though, not just because of the converters but also the clocking. However, the duet does sound really good and the preamps are very clean- you can make great recordings with it without a doubt. I have an old FireWire ensemble that I use as a standalone converter with my Apollo x8 and I have no complaints about the converters or the preamps on the ensemble. From what I remember of the duet, the ensemble preamps and conversion are very similar. They beat the pants off of the focusrite 18i6 I was using previously. The Apollo has nicer converters and clocking than the ensemble, but the difference isn’t very much.

  • @tja if it helps at all, in this video Dan Worrall recommends, rather than increasing the sample rate for the full project/device, using internal plugin oversampling when needed, i.e. when non-linear processes add extra harmonics above the Nyquist frequency, which may result in audible aliasing:

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  • @tja said:
    But that's why i want to play around with this.

    Got it, I do find the whole thing interesting as well

    The missing video did not get enough interest, but i still hope that @Blue_Mangoo will publish a second version.

    Do you remember the gist of it? Now that I saw that thread again I do remember the discussion and watching the video, but at the time I didn't really understand the sampling theorem and its implications.

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