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That is good news, thanks @sonosaurus.
@sonosaurus - I thought this might work, but I'm glad you tested it. I had tried something similar with an M-Audio I/O interface some time back (not connected to either the iCM2+ or iCM4+, before I had either in fact) and managed to drive digital audio out to the M-Audio via the hub in a similar way to what you describe, but, yes, not a "permanent" solution for a studio rig if you intend to leave your iPads connected (as I do) because of the lack of charging. I did not attempt doing so with the iCM4+ because I was a little concerned about voltage levels and driving the iCM4+ in a harmful way. One does have to take care of that with USB connections. So, if you follow @sonosaurus idea here, PLEASE take care what you are connecting to what and how.
The routing possibilities are indeed enormous and very powerful with the iCM4+ via iConfig and a little bewildering at first. As I mentioned in my review, one of the ways I've tackled that is to remove all the default settings and only connect the items I know I want connected. That way it's also easier to avoid creating MIDI loops as well :-)
I do suggest creating aliases for the port names too - it helps.
Further, do note that the way iOS works you may see a discrepancy in iConfig in any connected iOS devices in the names of host port connected MIDI devices between iConfig on a Mac/PC and iConfig on iOS. Apparently the device names become "sticky" inside iOS (I believe a generic issue and not something to do with iConfig itself) and if you change the device connections on your host-connected hub you may see a difference on the iDevice. For this reason I have generally done my iConfig configuration in the desktop version.
Yay! Thanks for the report @sonosaurus!
Hey all -
Here's the convo I had with iConnectivity re: connecting USB audio interfaces to the 4+ host port ->
Me - Just got a copy of the draft 4+ manual. I recall in a previous conversation some time ago where it was stated that a class-compliant USB audio interface could be connected to the USB host port. But the manual says, MIDI only. Can someone please clarify? April 24 at 6:22pm
iConnectivity - in the early days of planning the iCM4+ we had intended to do this. When we got someways into development we realized it was going to be difficult (possibly impossible) to accomplish with the processors we are using for the iCM4+. We decided not to start over with the design and proceed without that feature. We still are continuing to look into this for a future firmware update but again it might not even be possible with the current hardware configuration. April 25 at 12:20pm
Now I have a 4+ here, boxed up and ready for return due to the above convo. BUT, I also have an Apogee Duet IOS that will arrive tomorrow. I got to thinking...being that the Duet (1) charges the iPad with it's AC adapter and (2) has it's own CoreMIDI compliant MIDI port, I wonder if I could simply connect one of the 4+ IOS ports to the Apogee's MIDI port, disable the audio on the 4+ IOS port and have that work. Will let everyone know tomorrow.
Big up sonosaurus! Your findings make it a bit easier to think about canceling my RMA.
I'm really glad to hear that I didn't just imagine that! Though it's a big disappointment that they couldn't do it....
Nope, not imagined. I actually found the Facebook posting where it was stated that it was supported. It's on their old iConnectMIDI group page (before they created the current corporate page).
Is it possible to use an iPhone as the secondary iOS device? Anyone tried it?
@Marco, your plan should work, from what I can tell!
@syrupcore - yes - no problem iPhone will work fine. 4 and above.
Aces. Thank you! Just spent way too much time and chewing come getting a midi setup going last night and resolved to buy this box if it supported iPhone.
@sonosaurus said:
I've drawn this up on my whiteboard 2-3 times and I'm thinking it should definitely work as well. I plan to use jack #3 (on the back) as it doesn't provide charging power of any kind, and I will use iConfig to disable audio on it. Can't think of a reason why this should not work.
@syrupcore said:
Works fine here on an iPhone4 running iOS7.1.
However, it does not appear to work with my iPhone5 running iOS6.1.4. Not sure if it is an OS version thing, or the 30pin->lightning adaptor cable (official apple) attached to their cable. It doesn't even charge it, and plugging it in says "accessory not supported". The adaptor cable works just fine with my iPad mini retina (iOS7).
Try removing and reinserting the cable @sonosaurus. Simple thing I know, but, sometimes iOS does that (as I'm sure you know). I have a 5C that I can check but the adapter is in my other studio setup and I'm not physically present in front of the device to check right now or I would. But, that's running 7.1.1 as well.
@MusicInclusive said:
Of course I tried several times :P I also tried the other single-piece 30pin->lightning adaptor, same issue. Usually it doesn't even give the accessory error at all, just nothing. Power cycle, no change.
An old iPad1 running iOS5 worked just fine as well (no adapter, of course).
If anyone else has an iphone/ipod running ios6, please try it...
I want to have a wired connection to my computer with my ipad and control desktop apps without wifi or ad-hoc connection
I want to control my desktop DAW with lemur.
Can I do this with ICM4+?
@TGiG said:
Easy! I'm using Lemur on my iPhone to play FM8 with the hex pads template via the 30-pin cord and a Lightning adaptor.
This here might solve a LOT of problems...
I found a powered 4-port USB 2.0 hub that can charge and sync a iPhone 5 or better/iPad Air/iPad 4 Retina or better/iPad Mini simultaneously. So perhaps this hub can be connected to the 4+ USB host port, and an iPad connected to one of the hub ports via CCK. Then use the remaining USB hub ports for MIDI keyboards or whatever. Cheap at $17.95 - I just ordered one from Amazon.
http://plugable.com/products/usb2-hub4bc/
@Marco, you can't charge an iPad when it is using the CCK. That's the big problem!
Crap that's right! Ahh well, I needed another hub anyway, plus this particular one supports some new fast-charging standard and judging by some reviews I read, that feature works well.
Still waiting for my Duet - it's out for delivery today. Looking forward to testing my theory.
Well folks - the Duet has arrived. I'm disappointed to report that the 4+ isn't recognized by IOS when it's plugged into the Duet's USB port. My 4+ is headed back - the 2+ will of course remain for passthrough duties to/from my Mac.
iConnectivity dropped the ball on this one and that's a shame as this has to be the best MIDI (and audio) accessory available.
@Marco, have you tried any other USB midi devices in that Duet port? I'm kind of surprised because the 4+ should show up as a class compliant USB device (just like any other). So the Duet may be picky... that's why i mentioned trying others....
@sonosaurus - I've only tried my QuNexus which works flawlessly. The main clue was when after I plugged the 4+ into the Duet, it did not show up in iConfig. I did read somewhere else earlier today that the Duet can indeed be picky. At this point, getting the two to work together is more trouble than I am willing to put up with. Should iConnectivity manage to update the 4+ firmware to be able to handle audio interfaces, I'll be back in a heartbeat, but it doesn't sound too promising and the AudioConnect4+ isn't wanted (I have a Duet).
Now as a MIDI router - whew, man this thing is nice.
New video up on the blog covering the things I didn't get to but mentioned in part 1 of the video: iPhones, MIDI controller in action, latency, new iConfig features.
http://www.musicinclusive.com/blog/iconnectmidi4_preliminary_review_part_3_video_iphone_control_surface_latency_iconfig/
@sonosaurus said:
Strangely, even though it says it's not charging, mine will still slowly charge if I leave it plugged into the laptop via the CCK.
I've seen similar with Android phones plugged into certain USB ports on certain computers.
But it's like the slowest trickle, almost the same as not charging at all.
@Tarekith said:
You've plugged your iPad into your laptop with the CCK between? What would that even do, when both sides are hosts? You would need an unusual cable for even doing that.... A->A style.
I bought the iconnectmidi4+ last week and I must say it is an awesome iPad charger! Looks cool has a bunch blinky lights and such, WOW! Anyone want to buy it?
I'll trade you a genuine white Apple cube charger for it.
Ha! Maybe if you threw in a pair of genuine apple ear buds to sweeten the deal Zymos!
New, in wrapper.
Deal?
PM me!