Beatmaker 3 vs koala sampler. The ios sampler on 2021

sigma79

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:
Bm3 samples seem a bit better to pads. Not sure if theres additional tweaking within app to make it better triggered from launchpad but cool with launchpad. You can adjust settings of pads easy. Which seems the case from app to app.

Sequencer wise though. Does drambo have velocity pads/launchpad for own samples?

Koala is a great app AND Beatmaker is a deeper app -- even just its sampler. Lots of people don't need that depth, but if one does, BeatMaker is a steal even at its usual price.

Not sure what the sampler gives. If the sampled beats then end up ideally in Drambo. If Drambo has velocity triggered sample s ( yet Id maybe just use mainly a drum kit app anyway ) and Koala can time stretch audio stems. Not even sure what sampling really means but I guess Iv some idea with my questions. I guess its a steal and you prob think Im mad, If I can route bm3 to aum anyway but just dont like apps all stored and not used. Koala is cool. Iv been thinking I need to arrange with mtr before mixing but it might mean I dont need to be as finicky. Some audio clip launches in aum might make think to send to a timeline. Koala might also be good for my scratch deck. Launching track to track with big buttons. Even making scratch beats. Does Bm3 offer anything. Maybe there would be times, time stretch needed with more precise tempo. That could be the keeper. If koala dosent sort all time stretch tempo but it probably does? Or dosent need to be free from bars?

If you can explain the depth of the sampler. When then using samples in other apps. Or with bm3 routed to aum. Or is there sample mangling or combining samples?

A couple of things. BeatMaker can do high-quality time stretching and pitch shifting at the same time. Koala's time stretching is very good but it doesn't do that and pitch-shifting at the same time. BM3 has layering. Up to 128 pads/slices/samples per kit. Velocity layering. The sampling/slicing options are great. Take a look at some of the videos of people using Beatmaker 3 like Henny the Bizness and you will see some coolness. Drambo and Koala and BM3 all are excellent and have different features and workflows that make them worthwhile -- and some people don't need all three. One can do an awful lot with any one of them.

I will just keep. Plus starting to make a track did have a less complicated vibe than even aum. Or more of a beat making and sample layering looper/arranger thing.

sigma79

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:
Bm3 samples seem a bit better to pads. Not sure if theres additional tweaking within app to make it better triggered from launchpad but cool with launchpad. You can adjust settings of pads easy. Which seems the case from app to app.

Sequencer wise though. Does drambo have velocity pads/launchpad for own samples?

Koala is a great app AND Beatmaker is a deeper app -- even just its sampler. Lots of people don't need that depth, but if one does, BeatMaker is a steal even at its usual price.

Not sure what the sampler gives. If the sampled beats then end up ideally in Drambo. If Drambo has velocity triggered sample s ( yet Id maybe just use mainly a drum kit app anyway ) and Koala can time stretch audio stems. Not even sure what sampling really means but I guess Iv some idea with my questions. I guess its a steal and you prob think Im mad, If I can route bm3 to aum anyway but just dont like apps all stored and not used. Koala is cool. Iv been thinking I need to arrange with mtr before mixing but it might mean I dont need to be as finicky. Some audio clip launches in aum might make think to send to a timeline. Koala might also be good for my scratch deck. Launching track to track with big buttons. Even making scratch beats. Does Bm3 offer anything. Maybe there would be times, time stretch needed with more precise tempo. That could be the keeper. If koala dosent sort all time stretch tempo but it probably does? Or dosent need to be free from bars?

If you can explain the depth of the sampler. When then using samples in other apps. Or with bm3 routed to aum. Or is there sample mangling or combining samples?

A couple of things. BeatMaker can do high-quality time stretching and pitch shifting at the same time. Koala's time stretching is very good but it doesn't do that and pitch-shifting at the same time. BM3 has layering. Up to 128 pads/slices/samples per kit. Velocity layering. The sampling/slicing options are great. Take a look at some of the videos of people using Beatmaker 3 like Henny the Bizness and you will see some coolness. Drambo and Koala and BM3 all are excellent and have different features and workflows that make them worthwhile -- and some people don't need all three. One can do an awful lot with any one of them.

What about samplr to neon/koala via audio4c? Dose the app offer sample mangling to be recorded as to not worry too much about effects on all koala tracks? Or do you think theres enough auv3 effects?

AlmostAnonymous

Silly question about BM3. The midi effects window. How are the processed when multiple effects are loaded? Top to bottom? Can they be routed though each other or sent to the pad/key independently?

sclurbs

BM3 is a fully featured MPC on the ipad.
Koala is KO pocket operator on steroids on the ipad

sigma79

If you were making a perfect ultra pitch scratch vinyl. Not sure how its made. Something to do with rotation so it meets bars. For own samples would you just pitch shift until it sounds ok with a slower rotating turntable and/or also use time stretching.

Trying to work out the value of dvs for turntable after liking ultra pitch.

There isnt that many ultra pitch digital vinyls anyway

sigma79

@sigma79 said:
If you were making a perfect ultra pitch scratch vinyl. Not sure how its made. Something to do with rotation so it meets bars but for own samples would you just pitch shift until it sounds ok with a slower rotating turntable and/or also use time stretching.

Trying to work out the value of dvs for turntable after liking ultra pitch.

There isnt that many ultra pitch digital vinyls anyway

lukesleepwalker

@sclurbs said:
BM3 is a fully featured MPC on the ipad.
Koala is KO pocket operator on steroids on the ipad

Pretty much this.

AudioGus

sigma79

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:
Bm3 samples seem a bit better to pads. Not sure if theres additional tweaking within app to make it better triggered from launchpad but cool with launchpad. You can adjust settings of pads easy. Which seems the case from app to app.

Sequencer wise though. Does drambo have velocity pads/launchpad for own samples?

Koala is a great app AND Beatmaker is a deeper app -- even just its sampler. Lots of people don't need that depth, but if one does, BeatMaker is a steal even at its usual price.

Not sure what the sampler gives. If the sampled beats then end up ideally in Drambo. If Drambo has velocity triggered sample s ( yet Id maybe just use mainly a drum kit app anyway ) and Koala can time stretch audio stems. Not even sure what sampling really means but I guess Iv some idea with my questions. I guess its a steal and you prob think Im mad, If I can route bm3 to aum anyway but just dont like apps all stored and not used. Koala is cool. Iv been thinking I need to arrange with mtr before mixing but it might mean I dont need to be as finicky. Some audio clip launches in aum might make think to send to a timeline. Koala might also be good for my scratch deck. Launching track to track with big buttons. Even making scratch beats. Does Bm3 offer anything. Maybe there would be times, time stretch needed with more precise tempo. That could be the keeper. If koala dosent sort all time stretch tempo but it probably does? Or dosent need to be free from bars?

If you can explain the depth of the sampler. When then using samples in other apps. Or with bm3 routed to aum. Or is there sample mangling or combining samples?

A couple of things. BeatMaker can do high-quality time stretching and pitch shifting at the same time. Koala's time stretching is very good but it doesn't do that and pitch-shifting at the same time. BM3 has layering. Up to 128 pads/slices/samples per kit. Velocity layering. The sampling/slicing options are great. Take a look at some of the videos of people using Beatmaker 3 like Henny the Bizness and you will see some coolness. Drambo and Koala and BM3 all are excellent and have different features and workflows that make them worthwhile -- and some people don't need all three. One can do an awful lot with any one of them.

Still not seeing the potential of bm3 unless maybe making a track in bm3. Or maybe needing a timestretch free from bars ( unless koala custom bars is all thats needed for every time stretch ) because I can load koala in drambo an p-lock effects.

What stuff have you mentioned that could still be useful to use if then importing a sample stem from bm3 to drambo. Or if bm3 is good for making a beat as a background app/routed through audio 4c to aum as the main session/mixer. Or velocity layering. Noticed koala is velocity sensitive from launchpad.

sigma79

Although I will make sample music because of my scratch technique. BM3 seems like an app well suited. Withkoala and drambo. I got timestretch. Sampling from pad to pad. Velocity sensitive from launchpad. Pitch knob also. Pitch to keys but only with retro timestretch I think ( so maybe this is where bm3 could be good ) timestretch then send to koala for pitch to pads free from retro. Flexi sampler also but p lock parameters and effects.

senhorlampada

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sigma79

Do I actually need to timestretch with bm3 then import to koala if koala has timestretch.

It means I sample via koala. Then record with neon because koala dosent seem to have a save file anywhere on ipad for other apps to access. Then export from neon to files/audioshare. Load in bm3. Adjust sample. Then record sample with a neon on the input of another ipad. Export to sample crate. Then use cloud to access back on other ipad and drop sample from sample crate to koala ( or air drop from ipad to ipad ) This is without setting up a visable bar sequence in drambo as to see sample loop in time with drambo loop and obviously still needing to crop with neon. Seems a bit pointless to try using using bm3 timestretch with koala.

Just thought Id see how much hassle it is.

Just not seeing the point of bm3 tbh. Theres probably functions described but I doubt Id bother to use as it seems a closed system. Where saving/exporting anything is hassle.

So what can I gain from bm3 if I decide to never use bm3 as track maker? Unless thats the point.

Is there some sort of gain from loads of samples being on 64 pads that can be routed via audio 4c?

I guess koala wins for simplicity yet also hosted in drambo.

sigma79

I will probably refund. Dosent even seem worth £7.99.

sigma79

£7.99 richer. Thanks.

jrjulius

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:
Bm3 samples seem a bit better to pads. Not sure if theres additional tweaking within app to make it better triggered from launchpad but cool with launchpad. You can adjust settings of pads easy. Which seems the case from app to app.

Sequencer wise though. Does drambo have velocity pads/launchpad for own samples?

Koala is a great app AND Beatmaker is a deeper app -- even just its sampler. Lots of people don't need that depth, but if one does, BeatMaker is a steal even at its usual price.

Not sure what the sampler gives. If the sampled beats then end up ideally in Drambo. If Drambo has velocity triggered sample s ( yet Id maybe just use mainly a drum kit app anyway ) and Koala can time stretch audio stems. Not even sure what sampling really means but I guess Iv some idea with my questions. I guess its a steal and you prob think Im mad, If I can route bm3 to aum anyway but just dont like apps all stored and not used. Koala is cool. Iv been thinking I need to arrange with mtr before mixing but it might mean I dont need to be as finicky. Some audio clip launches in aum might make think to send to a timeline. Koala might also be good for my scratch deck. Launching track to track with big buttons. Even making scratch beats. Does Bm3 offer anything. Maybe there would be times, time stretch needed with more precise tempo. That could be the keeper. If koala dosent sort all time stretch tempo but it probably does? Or dosent need to be free from bars?

If you can explain the depth of the sampler. When then using samples in other apps. Or with bm3 routed to aum. Or is there sample mangling or combining samples?

A couple of things. BeatMaker can do high-quality time stretching and pitch shifting at the same time. Koala's time stretching is very good but it doesn't do that and pitch-shifting at the same time. BM3 has layering. Up to 128 pads/slices/samples per kit. Velocity layering. The sampling/slicing options are great. Take a look at some of the videos of people using Beatmaker 3 like Henny the Bizness and you will see some coolness. Drambo and Koala and BM3 all are excellent and have different features and workflows that make them worthwhile -- and some people don't need all three. One can do an awful lot with any one of them.

One small thing — Koala does support simultaneous pitch shifting (+/- 1 oct) and time stretching.

BM3 is still way ahead on features — it supports a much wider range of pitch shifting and offers more in-depth stretching parameters.

espiegel123

@jrjulius said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:
Bm3 samples seem a bit better to pads. Not sure if theres additional tweaking within app to make it better triggered from launchpad but cool with launchpad. You can adjust settings of pads easy. Which seems the case from app to app.

Sequencer wise though. Does drambo have velocity pads/launchpad for own samples?

Koala is a great app AND Beatmaker is a deeper app -- even just its sampler. Lots of people don't need that depth, but if one does, BeatMaker is a steal even at its usual price.

Not sure what the sampler gives. If the sampled beats then end up ideally in Drambo. If Drambo has velocity triggered sample s ( yet Id maybe just use mainly a drum kit app anyway ) and Koala can time stretch audio stems. Not even sure what sampling really means but I guess Iv some idea with my questions. I guess its a steal and you prob think Im mad, If I can route bm3 to aum anyway but just dont like apps all stored and not used. Koala is cool. Iv been thinking I need to arrange with mtr before mixing but it might mean I dont need to be as finicky. Some audio clip launches in aum might make think to send to a timeline. Koala might also be good for my scratch deck. Launching track to track with big buttons. Even making scratch beats. Does Bm3 offer anything. Maybe there would be times, time stretch needed with more precise tempo. That could be the keeper. If koala dosent sort all time stretch tempo but it probably does? Or dosent need to be free from bars?

If you can explain the depth of the sampler. When then using samples in other apps. Or with bm3 routed to aum. Or is there sample mangling or combining samples?

A couple of things. BeatMaker can do high-quality time stretching and pitch shifting at the same time. Koala's time stretching is very good but it doesn't do that and pitch-shifting at the same time. BM3 has layering. Up to 128 pads/slices/samples per kit. Velocity layering. The sampling/slicing options are great. Take a look at some of the videos of people using Beatmaker 3 like Henny the Bizness and you will see some coolness. Drambo and Koala and BM3 all are excellent and have different features and workflows that make them worthwhile -- and some people don't need all three. One can do an awful lot with any one of them.

One small thing — Koala does support simultaneous pitch shifting (+/- 1 oct) and time stretching.

BM3 is still way ahead on features — it supports a much wider range of pitch shifting and offers more in-depth stretching parameters.

As far as I can tell, Koala doesn't do high-quality real-time pitch-shifting of samples when using its high-quality time-stretching. Perhaps I am mistaken. If so, could you demonstrate? The pitch-shifting that I have found in Koala doesn't preserve the duration.

espiegel123

Here is a quick example (apologies for the sloppy playing) of realtime re-pitching in BM3 while maintaining tempo.

sigma79

What about ultra pitch samples for scratch deck?

I think scratch records are 83bpm or ultrapitch at 133 bpm.

Maybe I need to timestretch to 83bpm. Which might have been better with bm3. Unless Koala bars can be so a sample will be 83bpm. Then + pitch the sample an octave. When the deck is then spinning at ultrapitch ( slow ) then the sample will sound normal?

Would time stretching to a bpm ( if its 83bpm ) make all samples be normal sounding whilst the deck always be spinning the same speed for every sample?

What about cubasis?

Do I need to timestretch to 83bpm. Then pitch an octave.

Not sure how djplayer pro works. Like it detects the bpm maybe and can only be adjusted when you switch off dvs. Back on it then goes fast but unsure about that. Unless the above is how you would make ultrapitch samples.

Id probably message apple to cancel the cancelation.

jrjulius

@espiegel123 said:

@jrjulius said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:
Bm3 samples seem a bit better to pads. Not sure if theres additional tweaking within app to make it better triggered from launchpad but cool with launchpad. You can adjust settings of pads easy. Which seems the case from app to app.

Sequencer wise though. Does drambo have velocity pads/launchpad for own samples?

Koala is a great app AND Beatmaker is a deeper app -- even just its sampler. Lots of people don't need that depth, but if one does, BeatMaker is a steal even at its usual price.

Not sure what the sampler gives. If the sampled beats then end up ideally in Drambo. If Drambo has velocity triggered sample s ( yet Id maybe just use mainly a drum kit app anyway ) and Koala can time stretch audio stems. Not even sure what sampling really means but I guess Iv some idea with my questions. I guess its a steal and you prob think Im mad, If I can route bm3 to aum anyway but just dont like apps all stored and not used. Koala is cool. Iv been thinking I need to arrange with mtr before mixing but it might mean I dont need to be as finicky. Some audio clip launches in aum might make think to send to a timeline. Koala might also be good for my scratch deck. Launching track to track with big buttons. Even making scratch beats. Does Bm3 offer anything. Maybe there would be times, time stretch needed with more precise tempo. That could be the keeper. If koala dosent sort all time stretch tempo but it probably does? Or dosent need to be free from bars?

If you can explain the depth of the sampler. When then using samples in other apps. Or with bm3 routed to aum. Or is there sample mangling or combining samples?

A couple of things. BeatMaker can do high-quality time stretching and pitch shifting at the same time. Koala's time stretching is very good but it doesn't do that and pitch-shifting at the same time. BM3 has layering. Up to 128 pads/slices/samples per kit. Velocity layering. The sampling/slicing options are great. Take a look at some of the videos of people using Beatmaker 3 like Henny the Bizness and you will see some coolness. Drambo and Koala and BM3 all are excellent and have different features and workflows that make them worthwhile -- and some people don't need all three. One can do an awful lot with any one of them.

One small thing — Koala does support simultaneous pitch shifting (+/- 1 oct) and time stretching.

BM3 is still way ahead on features — it supports a much wider range of pitch shifting and offers more in-depth stretching parameters.

As far as I can tell, Koala doesn't do high-quality real-time pitch-shifting of samples when using its high-quality time-stretching. Perhaps I am mistaken. If so, could you demonstrate? The pitch-shifting that I have found in Koala doesn't preserve the duration.

Ah i misunderstood, but I see what you mean now. You’re correct — the Modern and Repitch algorithms don’t work with keyboard mode. The Pitch knob works with all algorithms but that’s not useful for the kind of thing you were demonstrating!

sigma79

Didnt get to keep app after canceling. Apple dosent seem to have a system to cancel the cancellation. Will have to just use koala but think I found bm3 to be better for ultrapitch.

oh well. I guess you have to be smart when dealing with apple.