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What iOS DAW are you using with AUM?
This started out as a question about what app to use to arrange my pieces once created. But as I researched I think it might be useful for others newbies so dumping what I've learnt here.
I like working in AUM and ideally would like to do a multitrack record to individual tracks so I could then apply automation like volume / fx. Also to then add additional tracks in real-time by interacting with a sampler etc.
So was (and still am) interested in what others use in this scenario but having watched Haqs excellent video....
I've come to release that the whole AUM vs DAW thing can be solved by breaking them into two distinct flows, the live creation part then the arranging/mastering part.
Various DAWs options have been suggested like Multitrack record (doesn’t really have automation), BM3 (still not sure if this is a good fit), LK (doesn’t seem to meet my requirements but might be wrong), Evolution (didn’t like its interface). Nanostudio looks kinda good but does have audio tracks! So Cubasis3? Anything else ?
But now thinking recording the individual tracks in AUM then dragging to logic on the Mac is probably what I ought to do but was hoping to work totally in iOSIdeally a lightweight DAW that can import audio, trigger MIDI, support AUv3 and automation would be great!
I thought, surely there is a DAW out there that can multi track record from AUM!? Well Cubasis 3 can :-)
But are there any other DAWs for iPAD that will also work like this, i.e. multitrack record from AUM?
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Auria Pro can.
Only iOS DAW I use for anything is Auria Pro. (BM3 I use like AUM as a live mixer/pads host)
I use Xequence for all my MIDI stuff, so don’t really use a traditional DAW.
I switch between cubasis 3 and auria pro
The only iOS DAW I haven’t tried is Multi Track Studio. Maybe gives you more options. I know MPE support just been added and it’s is IAA so should be able to pipe in AUM tracks. Not sure how good the GUI is.
Audio Evolution https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/audio-evolution-mobile-studio/id1094758623 is a fantastic Cubasis alternative, a bargain price, great options, including full automation, responsive dev, keeps getting new cool updates, and can record multi channels from AUM no problem.
I’ve got BM3, Multitrack DAW, Nanostudio 2, and Cubasis 2. Cubasis was my preferred one, but since the recent price hikes for upgrading from Cubasis 2, AE has become my go to for on iPad DAW stuff. The only reason I do that at all, mind, is to catch reverb trails at the end of a piece, otherwise I could just record each channel inside AUM itself. If there was a way to capture reverb trails inside AUM without the AUM transport running, I wouldn’t need an on-iPad DAW at all.
For me, then, the current best workflow remains: create an auto running multitrack piece in AUM; record ten minutes of that into Audio Evolution to give me wiggle room in Intro and fades; export stems from AE, sometimes .als files from Blocs Wave, (and now, finally, MIDI from Atom 2!); and build out from there in Ableton, on my big Apple Cinema Display, my Launchpads, my Behringer X Touch faders, all so much easier for arrangement.
Cubasis 3, but I’m still mostly jamming and not producing real tracks.
So far, my baby steps taken me down a slightly different route. I thought I must need a iOS DAW but I tend to record each track from AUM into Logic. I can see that at some point I will also need to record all tracks at the same time so will either record from AUM as files or might have to take the plunge and get Audio Evolution. Hope that helps.
How do the Auria Pro users feel about it with regards to updates? I was listening to a podcast that talked a lot about AP with a lot of enthusiasm but they also said that it was prone to crashing and the interface needs an update.
MTS is my go-to DAW for editing and writing at the moment. There are so many features that it offers that are not seen in other iOS DAWs. It has also been stable, which is what drove me away from Auria Pro. I would not however use it for arranging audio or MIDI into a full song.
The GUI will put many off - idiosyncratic is a good description. I’d recommend watching some videos if you were thinking of taking the plunge if you value aesthetic over function. I would find it difficult to arrange a whole song in there just because it is hard to see how multiple tracks interact with each other from a high level. Copy/paste MIDI/audio directly to/from the timeline fortunately makes interacting with other apps a smooth experience - highlight a few bars of notes or audio, copy directly to AudioShare and then send to wherever (in my case NS2 + MultiTrack Recorder).
You can pipe audio from AUM to it but it does not expose multiple inputs so you would only be able to record one AUM audio channel. That will not fit some workflows.
Auria updates are infrequent but it is maintained. It’s still (just about) the best on iOS for mixing but Cubasis 3 has made great strides and is within touching distance.
Interesting, thanks. One person mused that it was just not possible to maintain an app like Auria Pro after a few years because it wouldn't sell enough units to make it worth it.
The lack of a straightforward paid upgrade system is one of the big drawbacks of iOS. If there was a system to allow for paid upgrades in the App Store the entire ecosystem would benefit, but especially big and complex apps like DAWs.
I've never had any issue with updates to Auria Pro. I open it once every few months when I need to get some serious work done, and it does the job without question.
In my opinion, the correct frequency of updates for a serious tool is never (however on iOS, maintenance updates are of course necessary). The item I own that I've created the most music on BY FAR is my Yamaha TRB5 Electric Bass Guitar, and that's not been updated since it was constructed in 1987.
Auria's the old friend that you boot up when playtime's over and you need results -- it delivers a sound quality and workflow with serious functionality that I've not found anywhere else on the platform. I also personally love the parallels with Harrison Mixbus mixing flow, which is my main DAW for mixing.
Cubasis managed to earn something making new version.
Maybe they could make Auria Pro 2🤑
So @NimboStratus ... I was in same boat as some here.... I have tried everything to do a complete hmmmm non ambient track in AUM. I just did a techno tune and I used a lot of sessions in AUM and bounced a lot into Cubasis 3. I have every Daw and have tried them all..... Cubasis well for one I understand LOL. I would pay someone big money to get my head around AE.... LOL. So I recorded a lot of individual tracks and left room for tails like @Svetlovska stated and arranged them all and mixed in CB3.
Here is thread where I talk a bit about it.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/44187/a-bit-different-going-down-the-techno-rabbit-hole
Cheers
I bounce back & forth between Cubasis and Auria Pro. I honestly wish I could combine the best of both of those into a single DAW. Still haven’t found a DAW on iOS I totally like (or that has a proper feature set I need).
I go from Zenbeats to AUM to Auria Pro.
I don’t like the Auria Pro interface and has random and strange crashes (at least in my case). However Auria has audio and mixing features that are unrivaled in other daws. It’s the only one I know where you “can do it all” as you would on a desktop daw. Aux sends, groups, buses, transient editing, merging, bounce in place...
Is there another daw that can do “advanced” audio editing and routing?.
Debating the daw I bought. Multitrack daw. Could maybe crop audio from aum. Then maybe mix in aum with midi mixer. Thats all I know about Daw.
Will see if I can use to make a section in MTD. Then use aum to go in a different direction. Different synths etc.
Use Multitrack recorder for stems from MTD but not record in aum.
I can see that zero updates would help users to quickly become familiar with everything about a piece of software. I'm not sure if that's realistic though. The hardware analogy doesn't chime with me, especially once you add firmware. Bass guitars do not have that capability anyway.
I wonder if iOS music apps are polished in the wild due to the price of them?
I think the reason is exactly the last thing.
I don’t think the benefit is in quick familiarity so much as the knowledge that you can pick up the musical instrument (software can be an instrument too) that you’ve dedicated time to knowing intimately well and express yourself in any situation without the worry of unexpected surprises.
For example AB, Samplr, BM3 or AP might have a few crashes lurking in there, but if I stick to a workflow that I’ve spent time familiarising myself with intimately then I can trust and rely on it. Same way that if the strings on my guitar are old I know to not try and put it in crazy retunings or risk breaking one.
I think the parallel with ‘hard’ musical instruments is absolutely valid as they’re one and the same in the end — a tool in our hand to assist our expression.
I do love free stuff as much as the next person of course, and I gleefully enjoy opening up updated apps and seeing what new treats have been slipped into my pocket, but I definitely notice that everything that sticks with me and makes it into performances or productive workflows exists in a largely “finished” state. Whereas there have been many great tools on the way that I’ve invested myself in heavily but have eventually dropped by the wayside as I was always waiting for that one killer feature/update that was always in a state of arrival but never quite arrived.
I had a similar ambition but could never quite get it working. My AUM stems weren't recording cleanly and I found CB3 to be extremely unreliable at saving states of plug-ins, was always glitching and stuttering even with relatively few resources being used. So I'm sticking to recording live arrangements for the moment
I wish you luck, let us know which technique works best for you