Elastic Drums or something similar?

osKar

a little OT: Does Elastic Drums' sequencer allow for off-grid programming? the demos always seemed kinda Techno oriented. I would love to be proven wrong!
Cheers

Keenan

@osKar said:
a little OT: Does Elastic Drums' sequencer allow for off-grid programming? the demos always seemed kinda Techno oriented. I would love to be proven wrong!
Cheers

The automation recording makes it quite flexible and you can live jam with a bunch of parameters in the ‘jam’ section while your sequence is running to add changes on the fly.

The sequencer section is pretty straightforward but easy to use and you can make really long patterns that evolve over time based on the steps you’ve set.

I think you can certainly make it less “techno” sounding by importing your own samples or tweaking the synths. It can even be used as a little melody sequencer if you change the sounds and pitches in your sequence.

Basically it’s really simple and easy to use but you can make it do a lot if you want to. The sequence will stick to the grid though.

osKar

@Keenan: thanks for your reply! yeah I really should dig deeper into this app, I guess. Well, I right now I got some time on my hands so why not now ? :-)

Edit: I just saw the sequencer settings for each part! holy ****! you can delay the sequence of each part and make a swinging mess out of the whole lot! so you can go off-grid as well. niiice

Keenan

@osKar said:
@Keenan: thanks for your reply! yeah I really should dig deeper into this app, I guess. Well, I right now I got some time on my hands so why not now ? :-)

Edit: I just saw the sequencer settings for each part! holy ****! you can delay the sequence of each part and make a swinging mess out of the whole lot! so you can go off-grid as well. niiice

Wow that’s awesome! I’m still new to the app so there’s still loads to discover!

Edward_Alexander

Hey, quick note, Drum Computer also has offset (off grid) settings. Not saying one is better than the other, just saying...

sigma79

@supadom said:

@sigma79 said:

@Intrepolicious said:

@Keenan said:

@Intrepolicious said:

@Keenan said:

@reasOne said:

@Keenan said:

@reasOne said:
ElasticDrums is great but in a world of auv3 it has a hard time getting use IMO.
If you’re good with drambo that’s always a great thing, drum computer is the most flexible on the market but it destroys your cpu so it’s hard to use.
Patterning 2 is my favorite drum app, it’s not auv3 either but for some reason I’m ok with it and the export audio works great. However it is sample based.
That being said i find myself using poly 2 almost always for drums. It is patterning like, in an auv3 , sample based and lighter on cpu.

Lol I’m bad with Drambo unfortunately. Yeah I could see it not getting much use as a drum sequencer with it only being IAA, patterning is excellent though! Not sure if Patterning 2 is worth getting if I have the first one.

Yeah I’m not really looking for sample based as I’m just wanting a flexible drum synth for creating some interesting snappy sounds.

I see both Elastic Drums and DrumComputer have 8 synth engines for sculpting sound. ED is cheaper but has IAP, while DC is a bit more for the full version... decisions.

Drum computer!
Modern, get updates, and you can really dig into sound design to create anything you can imagine

I just saw it’s AUv3 too! I’m gonna download it anyway to try out since it’s free (not sure what the limitations of the free version are?). Exciting!

Possible purchase number 4 in 2 days lol! Just got Mononoke, Kosmonaut and Gauss. Probably gonna get Koala Sampler too.

The limitations are the AUv3 plug-in (you won’t get that until you purchase), and the amount of included presets.

Drum Computer is amazing, but, you have to have to have a lot of patience if you’re planning on designing your own drum sounds. The full version comes with approximately 1,365,832 preset sounds from all kinds of users, developers, and preset makers... but NONE of them are going to be the sounds you want. At least that’s my experience with it.

Start with a KICK for example, you can go through all the preset “kits” or just cycle through the Kick category and find one that’s close, then you can edit it to your taste. Or the randomize buttons that are available will give you a random sound every time. You’ll be here for a while, going through “kick” sounds like a cat sneezing, or an elephant farting, or a piece of paper being torn... nope, hit “randomize” a couple more times, now we have the sound of someone hitting a chain link fence with a baseball bat (Chang) or next, the same bat on grandma’s China cabinet (smash!) nope, that’s not it.. (randomize again) ah here we go, Thup, thuz, thud, THUD! There we go, now we have our KICK sound...

Now we can move on to the next part; Hi Hats! (The first sound that comes up will be someone stepping on that cat’s tail btw)

Drum Computer is a drum synthesizer , if you keep that in mind it will go a long way in helping to understand the sounds coming from it.

If you’re not into designing your own drum sounds, I’d look at something else that already has amazing drum sounds included. I like AudioKit’s 909 for this.

Haha that was great! I just downloaded the free version of DrumComputer and have been playing around for a while.

I’m not that interested in presets really and I want as many sound sculpting abilities as possible so a synth is prefect. I like to use drum synths to create my own game sound effects and I’ve mostly been using Ruismaker FM.

One thing I’ve noticed is that Elastic Drums seems to have extra (13) types of synthesis like granular, drone etc and not just wavetable, fm and sample. I’m not sure what the parameters are since it doesn’t show that much on the AppStore images.

Am I right in thinking there are more sound design possibilities within Elastic Drums? And if so, what IAPs do I have to purchase to unlock what I need? (Not presets)

Y’know, I’m not really sure. I have ElasticDrums but I’ve never really used it. A quick look shows a lot of sound design options, but I think Drum Computer has a lot more.

Any Elastic Drum users want to chime in on this?

Sound design sb will have way more and Drambo has more in the ways of p-locks and now euclidean ( also sound design ) Hoping to find a way to use sequence sb via drambo per track and multi audio so effects are per track. Elastic I think is more like a hardware drum if used with another ipad. Otherwise you ma as well just use sb or Drambo but elastic is quick at copying patterns. Even the rolls in elastic would need midi ( so you can still tweak synths etc on screen ) Id maybe map turnado to most elastic drums to a faderfox. It would offer sort of more sound design live. Think of elastic drums on many patterns to sort of have a psuedo p locks. Not like drambo with probabilty on p locks and not even like a volca drum with probabilty per step but I guess more similar to a drumbrute impact. Where you could simply adjust the tone of each shape when playing live but with a bit of recorded automation even the drumbrute dosent have.

Not quite probability but you can use Lfo in Turnado to simulate probability. Random step and glide as well as user sequencer wave (the last at the bottom). I often find Turnado to be the best tool live as opposed to fiddly programming with varying degree of success and not always pleasant to the ear.

Thanks supadom. Lfo theory were next to ponder. Thats great. Started saving in turnado ( sounds/effects that suit each elastic drum track ) but also added a model resonator from drambo to some. Need to see if I can added an amount knob to that drambo module, otherwise I think it would be set to bypass in aum.

BitterGums

@Keenan awesome. From your inquiry and descriptions I could tell it would be a good choice. the automations ARE a key part of the app. * here's a little bonus that i didn't learn right away ...if you go into the ios Settings under the app you can change the app color..yellow, blue, red or green. you heard me. multiple fking colors
Purely aesthetic ...but it keeps things fresh.
Also, the Arrange page has a master EQ and Compressor that's sorta hidden. You can set swing per pattern here too.

Keenan

@BitterGums said:
@Keenan awesome. From your inquiry and descriptions I could tell it would be a good choice. the automations ARE a key part of the app. * here's a little bonus that i didn't learn right away ...if you go into the ios Settings under the app you can change the app color..yellow, blue, red or green. you heard me. multiple fking colors
Purely aesthetic ...but it keeps things fresh.
Also, the Arrange page has a master EQ and Compressor that's sorta hidden. You can set swing per pattern here too.

That’s epic, thanks man! Hey aesthetics are really important to me, I find I spend less time with (or even don’t buy) apps that I find ugly lol. I would never have found the color options.. and yeah that eq is quite hidden, first time I’ve seen it. Cheers!

wim

@Philandering_Bastard said:
I love ED despite its shortcomings.
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New favorite forum pastime. Substitute another well known medical term for the abbreviation “ED” every time someone uses it in a post.

Keenan

@wim said:

@Philandering_Bastard said:
I love ED despite its shortcomings.
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New favorite forum pastime. Substitute another well known medical term for the abbreviation “ED” every time someone uses it in a post.

Eggplant Disease

Philandering_Bastard

@wim said:

@Philandering_Bastard said:
I love ED despite its shortcomings.
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New favorite forum pastime. Substitute another well known medical term for the abbreviation “ED” every time someone uses it in a post.

You noticed that, too?

sigma79

Custom nanokey. Got the x/y to work for roll variations
Shame the knobs arnt rotary but you would have to switch scenes. So with a faderfox with likely effects to shape after recording. What main effect or knob in Elastic is the best. A filter?

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ElasticDrums is definitely one of my favorite iOS apps ever. The lack of connectivity though made me leave it behind. I especially loved it because it was actually very usable on an iPhone. Also the sampler and master fx were super fun for doing crazy sounds.

I'm deep into Drambo now, and recently have been building out compact patches to try to recreate that ElasticDrums experience in there: HATᴱ, Acidline Devilish (and others I haven't made public yet ;P). My hope is that eventually we can have more immediate patches like these that will make me not miss ElasticDrums so much!

Reading this thread makes me want to go back to ElasticDrums and try to recreate some of its instruments...

Philandering_Bastard

@sigma79 said:
Custom nanokey. Got the x/y to work for roll variations
Shame the knobs arnt rotary but you would have to switch scenes. So with a faderfox with likely effects to shape after recording. What main effect or knob in Elastic is the best. A filter?

Tone from the global parameters, loopStart from the Sampler parameters, fx 1&2 send, fx 3&4 send. My £0.02

sigma79

@Philandering_Bastard said:

@sigma79 said:
Custom nanokey. Got the x/y to work for roll variations
Shame the knobs arnt rotary but you would have to switch scenes. So with a faderfox with likely effects to shape after recording. What main effect or knob in Elastic is the best. A filter?

Tone from the global parameters, loopStart from the Sampler parameters, fx 1&2 send, fx 3&4 send. My £0.02

Thanks Phil. This would be in combo with turnado sometimes/always/never. Tone seems good and loopstart ( will check what loop start is ) Maybe its the loopstart point? lol. Will see about the additional sends.

Keys numbers are for aum solo by the way. Could of added the top row for 24 tracks.

This makes me wonder the point of a 2nd ipad. Even with a faderfox and a row of buttons connected to both ipads. Solo in aum probably wont solo in another aum but solo shouldnt be too bad if other ipad were just a couple of synths. Figure I could tweak 4 screen synths maybe.

Cheers.

Philandering_Bastard

@quartzite said:
ElasticDrums is definitely one of my favorite iOS apps ever. The lack of connectivity though made me leave it behind. I especially loved it because it was actually very usable on an iPhone. Also the sampler and master fx were super fun for doing crazy sounds.

I'm deep into Drambo now, and recently have been building out compact patches to try to recreate that ElasticDrums experience in there: HATᴱ, Acidline Devilish (and others I haven't made public yet ;P). My hope is that eventually we can have more immediate patches like these that will make me not miss ElasticDrums so much!

Reading this thread makes me want to go back to ElasticDrums and try to recreate some of its instruments...

I’m really digging HATᴱ.

Philandering_Bastard

@sigma79 said:

@Philandering_Bastard said:

@sigma79 said:
Custom nanokey. Got the x/y to work for roll variations
Shame the knobs arnt rotary but you would have to switch scenes. So with a faderfox with likely effects to shape after recording. What main effect or knob in Elastic is the best. A filter?

Tone from the global parameters, loopStart from the Sampler parameters, fx 1&2 send, fx 3&4 send. My £0.02

Thanks Phil. This would be in combo with turnado sometimes/always/never. Tone seems good and loopstart ( will check what loop start is ) Maybe its the loopstart point? lol. Will see about the additional sends.

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Cheers.

LoopStart does just that, it moves the beginning of the loop further along the sample. Modulating it was what made the old Ensoniq samplers famous among glitch artists.

sigma79

@Philandering_Bastard said:

@sigma79 said:

@Philandering_Bastard said:

@sigma79 said:
Custom nanokey. Got the x/y to work for roll variations
Shame the knobs arnt rotary but you would have to switch scenes. So with a faderfox with likely effects to shape after recording. What main effect or knob in Elastic is the best. A filter?

Tone from the global parameters, loopStart from the Sampler parameters, fx 1&2 send, fx 3&4 send. My £0.02

Thanks Phil. This would be in combo with turnado sometimes/always/never. Tone seems good and loopstart ( will check what loop start is ) Maybe its the loopstart point? lol. Will see about the additional sends.

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Cheers.

LoopStart does just that, it moves the beginning of the loop further along the sample. Modulating it was what made the old Ensoniq samplers famous among glitch artists.

Cool. Thanks mate. Sounds good. Will see.