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Don't be too optimistic... there are already ongoing discussions about this in ECB and other central banks... they even don't try to hide main advantages of CBDC:
Scary like hell. I heard one discussion with this mountain of fat (it's ceo of Bank of Internationa Settlements, which is something like central bank of central banks), and he was surprisingly open about why they want to put CBDC into reality - and it was true horror .. he is real supervillain.
@dendy I understand the dangers, I’m just sceptical that it could happen in the West, or that it would survive the inevitable protests which would unite both the left and the right. That’s not to say it’s impossible or that it could never happen but for now I’m filing this in the unlikely category.
you are making mistake when you think it's unlikely .. it's not even in phase of hypothetic thing somewhere in future.. it's already being implemented, central banks are working on implementation procedures.. just try search youtube.. it was unlikely conspiracy 2 years ago, now central bankers like this mountain of fat ale publicly discussing it in media and on official financial events...
Corona changed lot things. World is changing in rapid way. Things which were unthinkable year ago are now seriously considered even not insecret but totally in public.
To be fair if this does happen I’ll be joining you on the barricades 😆
Sounds like the US Federal Reserve Bank.
Actually, they don't "print money", but it isn't too far from what they're doing in concept: https://www.thebalance.com/is-the-federal-reserve-printing-money-3305842.
I think if the change does happen it will be done in such a way tactically that it will be almost impossible to do anything about.
If they want it in, they will find a way
Look at how millions of people to eat food they don’t need that compromises their health, look at how millions of people smoke tobacco yet they don’t need it and it compromises their health.
If the right people have the right motivation to make it so, it will be so.
We are run by people who have control of the media, the money and the military. If they want it to happen, it’s gonna happen.
On top of that, they are infiltrated by many an enemy on many levels trying to undermine, influence and corrupt to mitigate their ability to pose a threat internationally.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-much-of-the-united-states-does-china-really-own
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34542147
If NFT’s can make independent artists money and help build careers for them then I thinks a good thing for sure.
Money has to come from somewhere. The Federal Reserve and the US Treasury are branches of the US government, which has the power to tax people and regulate banks (who in turn also create money as new loans).
Tether is a private entity running a scam by pretending that each Tether is fully backed by real dollars, which is a lie, as they have admitted in court.
I don't think the two are comparable. The dollar (and the pound, the euro etc) is backed by the entire US economy, which is extremely productive and historically wealthy. Tether is backed by nothing.
Looks like Ethereum is going Gang Busters:
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It's human nature to chase the gold rush...I feel like we're slowly entering a William Gibson novel...
Etherium:
Rough Comparisons:
Say what you like about crypto currencies, they've been damn good investments comparatively so far. Justified or not, the steady stream of news indicating wider acceptance by big names such as Visa, makes me feel like the bottom is unlikely to drop out any time soon.
So far, but the bubble will burst. Let’s compare notes 12 months from now.
If anyone wants a friendly bet, I’m willing to bet the price of a music app of your choosing that NFTs, Ethereum, or Bitcoin will be worth less a year from now than they are today. 😀
Quite likely. That's the fun of speculative investing though.
You betcha. I assume I'll be able to pipe internet access into whatever island I will have bought by then. If not then I'll my people reach out to you.
Any short term "crash" is relative, it's all about the long game
Any such bet would need to be in comparison to some other measure, such as overall stock market to be meaningful. Not that I'm interested in a bet.
Relative to fiat, the US dollar. That’s how prices are commonly determined 😀
But what’s the long game? Does it involve a conspiracy about the Fed or something something hyperinflation?
I just mean in terms of 10 - 20 years etc, I'm not referring to NFTs and Ethereum but specifically Bitcoin as there's a finite amount which can be mined so, in theory at least (depending on what happens in the global climate of course) it will become even more valuable over time than now exponentially. But obviously nothing is certain.
NFTs I'm not so sure about, certainly wouldn't invest money in that myself other than Gas for minting some NFTs to sell, I do know some people who have made some money from doing it.
But I think if it's going to be around as a viable way of selling digital art in the long term then there's no need to rush into it.
I meant as an investment only. Since I bought into a small amount of crypto last month I've averaged 17% return on investment. That's 2-3x my other investments.
And compared to $USD: Return over the last month: 0.39%, 3months 2.8%, 1yr -8.29%...
I don't see crypto as any different from any other high risk / high reward vehicle. Just higher risk than most. Maybe.
The same arguments for and against NFT/CRYPTO have been used against and for Capitalist, excessive government, or mega corporations.
As human nature is what it is, those benefiting from a system or mechanism are advocates of it. Those not, are eager to partake or opposed.
The problem is that many people are making claims that are the reciprocal of what they did for another institution at a previous juncture.
Younger folks or tech minded people feel this isn't about money, its about "freedom".
The same "freedom" many criticized capitalists for.
I don't have a bank account. I don't give a fuck. I am happy with my life. LOL
(Ps. Mooohooohawhaw!)
Woow
just few random notes:
Bitcoin as new store of value standard is slowly sucking premium price from gold, but will not stop there - after it flips gold market capitalisation, it will continue to suck premium price from real eastate market, then from bonds... We are just on beginning, 1.2 trillion mcap is just start where some big players like JP Morgan, Mass Mutual, NYDIG, Grayscale, Paypal, VISA and many other are entering crypto market. Recently rumours started leaking about Wallmart buying BTC for 1.2b of dollars (rumours are they will announce it 18th april)
Bitcoin is sucked out of exchanges at epic rate in last weeks, it may look like price is uncertain but when you check on chain data you see that during march many tenths of thousands of bitcoin were moved out of exchanges into personal wallets - liquidity on exchanges is literally drying... Just try use your imagination what it means ;-)
Oh and regarding "Terher FUD" - you have old information, they were investigated, investingation ended, they went through audit - result is all Tethers are fully backed. No scam. Same with other stablecoins like USDC, btw recently VISA anounced they will allow transaction settlement in USDC (btw. both USDT and USDC are ERC tokens on Ethereum network)
Btw of anybody is onterested about more in-depth informatikn about Bitcoin and crypto, feel free to create new thread - i can post there information.. really, there is huge things happening and most people have no idea.. i'll be glad to inform you guys a biy more, just don't want to spam here because it was primar thread about that NFT nonsense
Maybe we should take this discussion elsewhere as it's getting really OT, but anyway consider this to be my friendly rebutal.
This current bull market, and the one in 2017 is almost entirely driven by the Tether fraud. Tether is "minting" several billions of dollars worth of crypto every week, and even people who are really into Bitcoin are calling this out for the fraud that it so clearly is. They are pumping the market, and this is not FUD, it's a clear fact.
Yes that is the benefit of fiat, it helps to create liquidity during times of crisis, and this is exactly why it has become the standard. Hard money simply worsens crises and causes a lot of viable businesses to fail due to lack of liquidity. A business can be solvent but illiquid if it has significant assets that are caught up in a failing bank or insurance company. Under a gold standard many viable businesses fail during financial crises because of this lack of liquidity. That's why the great depression was such a disaster, until the Gold Standard was dropped.
If we had had a Gold Standard in 2020 when the pandemic erupted the entire world would now be in a depression.
There's a reason that inflation does not track commodity prices: consumers do not buy commodities. Commodity price increases do not necessarily translate into consumer price inflation (and when it does it is measured by CPI). Oil prices can vary enormously for example, without that necessarily translating to petrol prices for motorists.
But the current surge in commodity prices is actually mostly making up for the historic dips suffered in the pandemic, prices are not surging compared to their pre 2020 levels.
This is all speculative.
This last point of yours actually worries me, because this is not at all what has happened, and I would have hoped you would know that. The investigation is ongoing, they have not been audited, and they have admitted in court that they are not fully backed.
Tether initially claimed to be fully backed by dollars, but after months of delaying tactics they were forced to admit in court that they are only 74% backed, and not in dollars but in crypto. They are pumping the price of Bitcoin, then buying Bitcoin and claiming that Bitcoin as the equivalent of dollar reserves - a trick which is not only fraudulent but also catastrophic if the price of Bitcoin goes down.
If people try to exit and convert Tethers to dollars in any significant numbers the game will be up. And this is not FUD, many crypto enthusiasts have been warning about this for months.
Tweet from a Bitcoin enthusiast:
It is interesting seeing debates about things that I have no understanding of from people that I have seen chat about things I do know something about (iOS music). With every statement and response about Bitcoin on here I find myself thinking, 'Huh, sounds like they know what they're talking about.' even when people seem to completely disagree.
There is a lot of ideology behind Bitcoin, which is one reason for these disagreements 😀
It’s not just some neutral technology, there is an economic and ideological foundation to it.
Thank you. I was just in the shower trying to think of how to phrase this. I was going to correlate it to politics but that is yet another dimension. Ideology fits perfectly as it is the foundation of most things requiring speculation.