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Shaper - Synthesizer by Qiushi Jiang

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  • @ALB said:
    Haven't played with it much but the drag n' very drop feature is very quick, the drawable LFOs are interesting & give unique sounds, and the three slots of effects (of which there are many) are welcome and can be modulated. So it gets points for the UI. I wish it had one more LFO, one more oscillator, maybe some kind of oddball arp. None of these subtractive synths sound quite the same to me, so I'm not going to moan about "yet another..." If the drawable LFO isn't your thing, then maybe you pass. Yes, Drambo does it, but do you always want to use Drambo?

    👍🏼🤜🏼🤛🏼

  • Looks a bit like Serum lite, with the draggable / drawable LFOs, which is a great feature. On the fence, have enough synths at this point.

  • edited March 2021

    Nice demo. Love this guy u tube channel what he has pushed out is so professional.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    Ok took the plunge the GUI looks nice the Reverb has a freeze function which is quite unique for a synth may come in handy for these drone sound creations.

    First impressions it sounds big and for sound design quite easy to learn. I say it’s one of these synths that if your new to synthesis design is a good place to start for learning how to create patches on it’s definitely not to intimidating. The LFO modulation drag and drop system it uses is first class.

    The settings menu is lacking no Ableton link from what I can see and is quite sparse.

    The effects section is quite comprehensive.
    No onboard ARP which would of been a bonus.

    As a AU loads no problem seems low on CPU which is good news for older iPads.

    All the parameters are showing in AUM for modulating by external sources.

    Thank you much-like for the quick review, screenshots and manual link. :+1:

  • @syrupcore said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Ok took the plunge the GUI looks nice the Reverb has a freeze function which is quite unique for a synth may come in handy for these drone sound creations.

    First impressions it sounds big and for sound design quite easy to learn. I say it’s one of these synths that if your new to synthesis design is a good place to start for learning how to create patches on it’s definitely not to intimidating. The LFO modulation drag and drop system it uses is first class.

    The settings menu is lacking no Ableton link from what I can see and is quite sparse.

    The effects section is quite comprehensive.
    No onboard ARP which would of been a bonus.

    As a AU loads no problem seems low on CPU which is good news for older iPads.

    All the parameters are showing in AUM for modulating by external sources.

    Thank you much-like for the quick review, screenshots and manual link. :+1:

    No problem my pleasure this one is definitely growing on me not to difficult to understand lots of sound scalping possibly

  • @Spidericemidas Would love you make some presets for this one seems a sound sculpting dream.

  • Anyone else have some screen caps of this synth in action? I want to hear more!!

  • @reasOne said:
    Anyone else have some screen caps of this synth in action? I want to hear more!!

  • edited March 2021

    Once you've assigned an LFO via drag-and-drop, how do you go back and edit it? I can seem to figure it out!

  • Can someone pls tell my if the synth has low/band/hi pass filters?
    And is it possible to deactivate the second oscillator?
    Haven’t seen it in any video, yet🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @richardyot said:
    Once you've assigned an LFO via drag-and-drop, how do you go back and edit it? I can seem to figure it out!

    From the video it looks like that you have to drag another lfo on the knob. It doesn’t look like you can reach that option by long pressing. Have you tried it?
    It definitely a lack in the ui. It should be visible on which knob an lfo is assigned😬

  • @Spidericemidas said:

    @reasOne said:
    Anyone else have some screen caps of this synth in action? I want to hear more!!

    Sweet!!! Watching meow!

  • @richardyot said:
    Once you've assigned an LFO via drag-and-drop, how do you go back and edit it? I can seem to figure it out!

    Hi richardyot,

    Shaper Dev here, you can double-click on the knob to access its modulation window. :)

  • @AutumnRock welcome to the forum! 👋

  • @gusgranite said:
    @AutumnRock welcome to the forum! 👋

    Thank you! I have been lurking for a while now. ;)

  • @AutumnRock said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @AutumnRock welcome to the forum! 👋

    Thank you! I have been lurking for a while now. ;)

    Welcome!!!
    This synth looks and sounds wonderful from the demos I’ve seen.
    On Payday it’ll be in my 🙌 hands

  • @reasOne Thanks for the support! Feel free to @ me if you have any questions. 👍

  • edited March 2021

    @AutumnRock
    Thx for the Very quick answer 😁
    Nice to see you’re open for suggestions 🖤

  • Hi! @AutumnRock

    I'm just wondering if PWM (Pulsewidth Modulation) is on the roadmap for Shaper?

    This could be implemented using a 'Shape' knob per oscillator?
    (No need to implement, I'm just brainstorming in case others find it interesting as well).
    'PWM' for Square Wave (0%-100%-0%), 'Skew' for Triangle (Ramp Down->Triangle->Ramp Up) and 'Wave Fold' for Sine Wave as examples.

    PWM can be substituted by mixing a saw wave with a phase-inverted and detuned saw wave...
    ...this would however require a 'phase reset'(or set start-phase) for the oscillators since two would be needed.
    (Adding a 'phase invert' option for each oscillator would create a wide variety of oscillator shapes, especially when controlling the start-phase of each oscillator combined with a 'shape' function).

    Other 'classic' VA type features would be fm, ring-modulation (osc1 * osc2) and oscillator sync.

    The envelopes and lfo's seem to be quite flexible as are the modulation routings :)

    Cheers!

  • edited March 2021

    @Samu said:
    Hi! @AutumnRock

    I'm just wondering if PWM (Pulsewidth Modulation) is on the roadmap for Shaper?

    This could be implemented using a 'Shape' knob per oscillator?
    (No need to implement, I'm just brainstorming in case others find it interesting as well).
    'PWM' for Square Wave (0%-100%-0%), 'Skew' for Triangle (Ramp Down->Triangle->Ramp Up) and 'Wave Fold' for Sine Wave as examples.

    PWM can be substituted by mixing a saw wave with a phase-inverted and detuned saw wave...
    ...this would however require a 'phase reset'(or set start-phase) for the oscillators since two would be needed.
    (Adding a 'phase invert' option for each oscillator would create a wide variety of oscillator shapes, especially when controlling the start-phase of each oscillator combined with a 'shape' function).

    Other 'classic' VA type features would be fm, ring-modulation (osc1 * osc2) and oscillator sync.

    The envelopes and lfo's seem to be quite flexible as are the modulation routings :)

    Cheers!

    Hey Samu🙏🏽
    Very cool ideas 😈
    Is phase reset/star-end point option the way to trigger the osc everytime from the same point?
    (Do you know other synth wich does this??)
    It’s very common in my style of music to use this, so that it’s the same sound for every input.
    If so...@AutumnRock ☺️ That would be a great option.
    And of course Fm would be cool, too😎

  • @DarkAum3o said:

    Is phase reset/star-end point option the way to trigger the osc everytime from the same point?
    (Do you know other synth wich does this??)

    Yes that is what I mean.
    And yes, there are quite a few synths that can do it.

    Virsyn Tera, Moog Model 15 has the 'oscillator clamp', Drambo can set the start-phase when using the IAP WaveTable oscillator.
    Zeeon can do it as well with a bit of matrix patching. Mela and Magellan 2 are quite flexible here as well.

    I might have missed a few though.

    Some synths also have an option to let the oscillators 'run free' or 'restart' on each note.

    Synths offering oscillator sync do reset the phase of the synced oscillators and often also have the 'free running' option for more 'alive' sound since a total sync on each note oscillator creates a more static sound (ie. oscillator start at the same position for every note).

    Early digital synths always re-started the phase to save CPU and this is also why some early digital synths fail at 'analog' emulation regardless of how good their filters were since the sample always starts from sample 0.

    Random Startphase (sample start offset) is sometimes used to emulate 'analog-ness' and avoid a too 'static' sound.

    Even the classic SID Chip has 'free running' oscillators by default which contributes a bit to the sound.
    In order to 'reset' the start phase the test-bit has to be set & cleared.

    Hopefully the developer snaps up a few of the ideas as this synth does have potential!
    (More envelopes and more destinations like changing the wave-form type using LFO and way faster LFOs which come in handy for 'audio-rate' sound-design).

    Cheers!

  • @Samu
    Wow thx for this great explanation and the few tips.
    It’s funny that the most synth will not have this option as they want to sound different 🤪 as I want to sound it static for my specially Bassline.
    I recently use drambo, but I really want to use shaper for this, be amuse of the great envelop and it’s cpu friendly behavior.
    Let’s see what the developer think about it.
    🙏🏽🖤🙏🏽

  • @DarkAum3o said:
    @AutumnRock
    Thx for the Very quick answer 😁
    Nice to see you’re open for suggestions 🖤

    Welcome!

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    @Spidericemidas Would love you make some presets for this one seems a sound sculpting dream.

    I don’t own this synth. Does it have a friendly system on board for import/export of banks? Can you create your own named bank for adding user presets to? @AutumnRock

  • Hi @Samu, thanks for the suggestion. The reason I didn't add PWM in the first place was to avoid having a knob that only works for the square wave. So I really like your "Shape knob" idea. Let me think about it, I am open to adding it to Shaper if I can fit it into the existing UI.

  • @Spidericemidas said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    @Spidericemidas Would love you make some presets for this one seems a sound sculpting dream.

    I don’t own this synth. Does it have a friendly system on board for import/export of banks? Can you create your own named bank for adding user presets to? @AutumnRock

    Hi @Spidericemidas, at the moment you can only share individual patches, but "creating your own banks" and "bank import/export" are on the roadmap.

  • @AutumnRock said:
    Hi @Samu, thanks for the suggestion. The reason I didn't add PWM in the first place was to avoid having a knob that only works for the square wave. So I really like your "Shape knob" idea. Let me think about it, I am open to adding it to Shaper if I can fit it into the existing UI.

    That's good to hear!

    I always try to make suggestions that fit the core design of the existing app thus the 'shape' knob seems to be the logical solution. If 'space' is an issue I have a suggestion here.

    Remove the 'pan' knob from the oscillator page and rename the 'Noise' section to 'Mixer' where the Level & Pan can be adjusted for OSC1,2 and Noise. There's enough room on the current noise panel for that ;)

    I did read thru the manual that @Jumpercollins kindly linked to.

    One question regarding the 'Phase' knob, any plans to make the oscillators 'free running'?

    Drambo has the for example the option to either set the phase on each new note or keep it 'free running'.

    This makes the sound more 'alive' as the waveform doesn't always start from a fixed position.
    (Some synths randomize the start-phase for each new note to make it more 'lively').

    'Phase/Polarity Invert' is another feature that can be creatively used.
    (Mix a Saw wave with a Polarity/Phase Inverted Saw and they cancel each other out, detune one slightly and you've got 'fake PWM'). Polarity invert could be a button on the 'Mixer' section?

    As an example if you Mix a Square Wave and a Triangle Wave polarity inverting one of them it creates a completely different waveform. It's even more noticeable when starting to adjust the start phases of the oscillators.

    I'm aware that this can potentially cause havoc if new parameters are added which would require a 'version check' for presets that are imported or exported as well as a 'preset update' feature.

    If these ideas divert too much from the initial plans for the app feel free ignore :)

    Cheers!
    /Samuel

  • @AutumnRock said:

    @richardyot said:
    Once you've assigned an LFO via drag-and-drop, how do you go back and edit it? I can seem to figure it out!

    Hi richardyot,

    Shaper Dev here, you can double-click on the knob to access its modulation window. :)

    Thanks!

    It's a nice sounding synth. Preset Bank export would be nice, so that we can share patches with the community. This in turn might lead to more sales, especially if excellent sound designers such as @Spidericemidas create beautiful patches for it.

    The FX section is great, it makes the synth very versatile.

  • @richardyot said:

    @AutumnRock said:

    @richardyot said:
    Once you've assigned an LFO via drag-and-drop, how do you go back and edit it? I can seem to figure it out!

    Hi richardyot,

    Shaper Dev here, you can double-click on the knob to access its modulation window. :)

    Thanks!

    It's a nice sounding synth. Preset Bank export would be nice, so that we can share patches with the community. This in turn might lead to more sales, especially if excellent sound designers such as @Spidericemidas create beautiful patches for it.

    The FX section is great, it makes the synth very versatile.

    Be good to have some mellow Richardyot patches too! I’d be interested in exploring this synth if it gets a nice straightforward bank export/import facility. Always good to have a synth that allows community sound design sharing. 👍

  • @Spidericemidas said:

    @richardyot said:

    @AutumnRock said:

    @richardyot said:
    Once you've assigned an LFO via drag-and-drop, how do you go back and edit it? I can seem to figure it out!

    Hi richardyot,

    Shaper Dev here, you can double-click on the knob to access its modulation window. :)

    Thanks!

    It's a nice sounding synth. Preset Bank export would be nice, so that we can share patches with the community. This in turn might lead to more sales, especially if excellent sound designers such as @Spidericemidas create beautiful patches for it.

    The FX section is great, it makes the synth very versatile.

    Be good to have some mellow Richardyot patches too! I’d be interested in exploring this synth if it gets a nice straightforward bank export/import facility. Always good to have a synth that allows community sound design sharing. 👍

    💯

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