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NO AB (yet) Moogfest? Anyone else here??
So Moogfest is amazing, (I did here some talk about audulus today)
Any other forum users here? There are those here for the dance music and those here for the science. I am trying to find the pulse of what people are thinking of app music. Some still have no clue.
Some pics;
As a songwriter I carry little notepads to write in... I got Tom Oberheim's autograph!
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=231393257050249&id=100005387285135&set=a.102458266610416.1073741826.100005387285135&source=46
Amazing video below...When I go back home to nj I am going to use my BlueBoard to trigger notes on samplemoog Taurus pedals with my Moog theremin to do this here! (Ok I guess AB will be used there 
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231159777073597&id=100005387285135
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maybe you can talk to somebody from Moog about the sorry state of Animoog for iphone. can't even rename presets so basically can't save anything. how has that not been patched yet? why are they even still charging money for this app?
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/animoog-for-iphone/id490169960?mt=8
They aren't charging much - the Google search suggests it was $9.99 in the past, and it's $2.99 now. Still I paid that for Filtatron (which I should probably learn to use at some point), and they got that on the Bus. Strange that would get precedent over Animoog.
Seems like app development is pretty far down on their list....
Actually I have spoken to an awesome employee from Moog in Brooklyn last month (the same guy who gave me my comp ticket for Moogfest). As he put it Moog only has so many engineers working on projects, they have very important projects going right now and do their best with their insanely heavy workload. It doesn't seem to be as glorious a job as some people would think it. Being here I personally see way way more important stuff than an iPhone app like animoog.
Filtratron does way cooler things with other music apps, it is plainly a better app and more useful. There is a ton of potential to unlock especially with AB2 now.
And I love Audiobus and how it improves my workflow and makes me money ( trust me I am talking to many people here on the software vs hardware issue. It is time people wise up and use both together to get paid). However there are many ways around the iPhone animoog issues.
Right now Roger Linn is discussing his LinnStrument.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231592900363618&id=100005387285135
This demo and new instrument here is using an iPad with animoog and iconnectivity
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231597940363114&id=100005387285135
sure, but with an external controller like that, I don't see how animoog on iphone is any less useful than on the ipad. filtatron is great, but I'd argue animoog is way more unique and there's really no synth like it.
@ShawnLeonhardt said:
I believe that's an Eigenharp, and that guy helped me test some new midi bindings in DrumJam (for doing auto-repeat via midi input).... so listen for that in the demo, just in case
Yes it is the Eigenharp... I wasn't sure of spelling so I hesitated in writing it.
I got to play the LinnStrument!!!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231608563695385&substory_index=0&id=100005387285135
Highly debatable that Filtatron is "plainly a better app and more useful".
There are so many independent developers here with way less resources than Moog Music who have said adding AB support to their apps was no big deal. If Moog cared to,I'm sure they could put it in Animoog iPhone pretty easily.
And don't even get me started on the IAPs that are not transferable between versions.
They may have their reasons, and they may be great ones, but you can't say that their apps are a high priority to them...
@Shawn wow, you're lucky. the linnstrument will be amazing. really looking forward to that.
@Zymos said:
Sonicstate once stated in passing that basically they have a single person at Moog for R&D. Moog's profit index is mostly based in hardware. I'm not particularly surprised by their apps not getting many updates.
And the debate on if Filtatron or Animoog being better/more useful is interesting. It's funny, there's a specific distortion/buzz sound that is instantly recognizable in Animoog (see the first entry in the recent Audulus promo code giveaway, and how many folks instantly knew that was Animoog). That sound and how instantly recognizable it is, is a major hindrance for me. You can go nuts messing with timbres/etc. in that synth...and it's almost always still there. If they got rid of that one sound, or at least quarantine it to a specific timbre or something, I'd use it way more.
On the flipside...Filtatron is mono. Pretty much limits it to bass stuff for me.
I know what you mean about "that" sound. I don't notice it myself in every single patch, but did find it off-putting at first and wondered why it seemed to be everyone's #1 favorite.
Filtatron sounds great for what it is, I just can't get all that excited about it, especially when we have things like Turnado or Wow.
Clearly whatever individual uses are make either filtratron or animoog better. There is no debate. I just find filtratron has some secrets to it... And Moog does enough amazingness that I will let the silliness to iPhone animoog slide. Frankly all app music makers default to iPad standards... So if you are a serious iOS musician you will get an iPad (this goes for me to.. I don't have one yet). Also Enough software makers emulate Moog so anyone can now get their hands on those sounds. Yes having the hardware is great, but I write music with software myself and no one ever notices.
I think every brand maker has a specific "sound" to their brands. And animoog definitely has the Moog sound. And as for another sound... "The father of midi"
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231613800361528&id=100005387285135
Also, Moog had 3 years to devote to building this http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/04/25/moog-music-intros-new-emerson-modular-system/#more-56534
So I think they had time to get someone to drop in the AB code to their app!
AniMoog doesn't really have the "Moog sound". What it does have is a digital, kind of harsh sound that is not at all what people associate with Moog hardware.
@ShawnLeonhardt said:
I really hope that starts to change now with the iphone 5 and lightning to camera adapter. the iphone screen is at least 4x the size of any hardware synth screen. if you're connecting to external midi-controllers, the iphone is screen size is more than enough.
Agreed with Zymos, Animoog doesn't have the "Moog sound" that most are familiar with, at all. It's one of the most digital sounding synths I've ever heard, in fact.
Also, I disagree that many app developers are emulating Moog. There's a bit of it, certainly (I prefer iMini to Animoog, most of the time, for instance). But I wouldn't consider it prevalent at all.
@dubwavedub said:
I disagree with this pretty strongly. Not sure if you've ever got to use an iPad for musical apps, but that extra landscape on a touchscreen makes a big difference. As well, iPhones aren't "4x" the size of a hardware synth display. If anything, I'd consider it closer to 1x1 comparable for most synths.
Regarding the Animoog sound, I find it necessary to fine tune nearly every preset if you want a good Moog sound. In particular, most presets have a modulation across the x/y grid that sounds too digital for me. But it is a great sounding synth to my ear.
Regarding Moogfest, thanks for the reports. I wish I could be there!
I just recently got an iPhone, and while many apps designed for it are plenty usable, it can definitively make you appreciate the extra real estate of the iPad. I'm lucky to have both.
And...to bring things back around: if I could run Animoog on my phone through some FX with AB, I probably wouldn't even notice that "digital" character....
The new Moog theremin has Animoog within it. So you can use all the presets while playing it. I don't know this for a fact but I think you will be seeing more with them and animoog and the software world in the future.
Everyone here is going on about the fact analog has come back. It has and that's cool, but it's a fad. Real working musicians want ways to work faster and new methods, so yes we all want a hardware synth, but in the long run the ease of apps software and new interface controllers will be the future.
@Calcutta
more screen is more better. sure, that's obvious, but I'm just saying the size is more than enough if you're not using it as a playing surface. (plus it fits in your pocket so you can make music anywhere- who doesn't appreciate that?) what synth/drum machine/groovebox has a screen as big as an iphone 5?
I dunno Shawn- the fact that software instruments have come so far, and keep getting better, combined with all the great analog and other hardware coming out these days, doesn't really argue for one or the other to be "the future" IMO.
So I have an idea for a band... 4 guys who make music similar to Kraftwerk... But using iOS and call the band Appftwerk (I can speak German through ivoxel). I just need to find folks in my jersey area. Maybe we can get some app makers and apple to sponsor us!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231671707022404&id=100005387285135
Attention app developers... If you create an emulation of this;
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=231608563695385&substory_index=1&id=100005387285135
I will buy it.
@dubwavedub said:
Korg Triton/Akai MPC series/Roland Phantom series/Roland V-Synth series/Roland MC-909/Yamaha Motif series
These are all basically the leading examples of their series and I could keep going...
And I disagree with the size being "more than enough". In most musical contexts, for a touchscreen it's not. I started on just and iPhone, too. The space of the iPad makes a considerable difference that's not arbitrary. There's a reason most iOS musical apps don't get ported to iPhone...
idk mpc 5000 screen is not as big and it has the biggest screen of any mpc afaik. keep in mind those u named all have very basic low-res LCD screens and are not touchscreens. the fact u can name so many synths/workstations that have screens about the size of an iphone I think speaks for itself. the iphone is just as capable of being a professional musical device as an ipad. don't get me wrong, I love my ipad. the extra real estate does make a huge difference for some applications and many wouldn't be sensible on an iphone, but the iphone is better for some applications too. it's much easier to mount on a guitar, sit atop a keyboard controller and the fact it's your phone means it's practically always with you. ipad doesn't have that convenience. (unless u carry a purse)
...so my point is (speaking for myself here) if I were hooking up Animoog to my midi controller, I'd much rather use my iphone because all the parameters are mapped to my keyboard knobs/faders anyways, it sits on my keyboard perfectly and would have all the presets I'd been tweaking on-the-go. it's unfortunate Animoog on iphone is so neglected.
and btw to have a touchscreen as big as an ipad in your hardware synth/mpc/motif/ect. would be pretty absurd, no? overkill?
No. Neko Openlabs stuff was pretty popular with those who got to use it. Also the recent MTI Raven, imo, is a sign of trends to come...
Also, you just asked for comparable screen size, nothing about touch-screens. And I would absolutely consider the MPC's screen size comparable. I was using an MPC1000 for my sequencing/sample editing right before I got an iPhone and started using Beatmaker 2 to do the same thing. The screen size experience was almost the same for both.
Your experience with gear is exactly that, yours. YMMV
to each his own. i really don't know what you're trying to say. that devs should abandon iphone as a platform? many ipad users also own an iphone. you can run musical apps on both, have them sync and it works beautifully!