Atom2 midi out

edk

Can Atom2 send midi out to external gear?

Toastedghost

@edk said:
Can Atom2 send midi out to external gear?

It can send and receive Midi to external as far as I am aware

edk

ah great to know. I can buy it then!
thanks!

MAtrixplan

@Toastedghost said:

@edk said:
Can Atom2 send midi out to external gear?

It can send and receive Midi to external as far as I am aware

But You also need a host to open Atom2

dre

Could we use this to record into Logic as MIDI, without having to keep the audio?

Or will it revert back to a basic MIDI file?

edk

@MAtrixplan said:

@Toastedghost said:

@edk said:
Can Atom2 send midi out to external gear?

It can send and receive Midi to external as far as I am aware

But You also need a host to open Atom2

yes I've got AUM. I'll get it when I finish day's work.

wim

@dre said:
Could we use this to record into Logic as MIDI, without having to keep the audio?

Yes.

Or will it revert back to a basic MIDI file?

Sorry, I don't understand this question. Can you clarify what you mean?

dre

@wim said:

@dre said:
Could we use this to record into Logic as MIDI, without having to keep the audio?

Yes.

Or will it revert back to a basic MIDI file?

Sorry, I don't understand this question. Can you clarify what you mean?

Thanks for taking the time, sorry if I wasn't clear.

One can currently convert audio files into MIDI inside Logic (or any DAW). But it becomes a regular MIDI file once you delete/remove that audio file.

IE... I use my iPad as a sound module inside Logic but prefer MIDI as it's easier to edit, uses less CPU and HD space. But whenever I delete the audio file I recorded, that MIDI file turns to a regular MIDI file (ie a piano).

Another alternative is to quickly sample the audio file from my iPad into Logic's sampler, but it doesn't come close to sounding the same without taking the time to tweak it. You lose almost all of the effects (reverb, lowpass, drive etc) thus losing the character of the original. I like to use AUM to create layered sounds and record them into Logic and trying to sample them into Sampler converts a multi layered thick yumminess into vanilla.

I hope that was a better explanation.

wim

@dre said:

@wim said:

@dre said:
Could we use this to record into Logic as MIDI, without having to keep the audio?

Yes.

Or will it revert back to a basic MIDI file?

Sorry, I don't understand this question. Can you clarify what you mean?

Thanks for taking the time, sorry if I wasn't clear.

One can currently convert audio files into MIDI inside Logic (or any DAW). But it becomes a regular MIDI file once you delete/remove that audio file.

IE... I use my iPad as a sound module inside Logic but prefer MIDI as it's easier to edit, uses less CPU and HD space. But whenever I delete the audio file I recorded, that MIDI file turns to a regular MIDI file (ie a piano).

Another alternative is to quickly sample the audio file from my iPad into Logic's sampler, but it doesn't come close to sounding the same without taking the time to tweak it. You lose almost all of the effects (reverb, lowpass, drive etc) thus losing the character of the original. I like to use AUM to create layered sounds and record them into Logic and trying to sample them into Sampler converts a multi layered thick yumminess into vanilla.

I hope that was a better explanation.

Ahh OK. Unfortunately the answer isn't going to be what you'd like.

MIDI is just instructions to play a note or turn a control in an app. It doesn't know anything about the app that it is sent to. Think of it like a piece of music written on paper. You can hand that paper to a piano player, a flute player, a harp player, etc. They will all play the same notes, but there is nothing on that paper that can tell a piano to sound like a flute, or a flute like a harp.

So, no, a midi file can't be used to make a different app sound the same as when you first played it.

You probably need to focus on why when you record into the sampler it isn't carrying all the FX that you want into the recording. Audio flows in a path, for instance: synth > drive > chorus > reverb. If you sample right after the synth (synth > sampler > drive > chorus > reverb), you'll only record the synth and miss the rest. If you place it at the end of the chain (synth > drive > chorus > reverb > sampler), you'll capture everything.

It sounds to me like what you're doing is creating a midi track in Logic, sending that midi to the iPad, and then sending the audio from the iPad into Logic (the iPad is acting like a sound module). You record that, but then delete the audio file, leaving only the MIDI. This is normal. The only thing you can do is to send that midi to the iPad again and re-record the audio file.

Sorry, there is no way around this. Audio and midi are two different things. Midi can't carry any audio information.

I hope that helps to understand, even if it isn't what you hoped to hear.

dre

@wim said:

@dre said:

@wim said:

@dre said:
Could we use this to record into Logic as MIDI, without having to keep the audio?

Yes.

Or will it revert back to a basic MIDI file?

Sorry, I don't understand this question. Can you clarify what you mean?

Thanks for taking the time, sorry if I wasn't clear.

One can currently convert audio files into MIDI inside Logic (or any DAW). But it becomes a regular MIDI file once you delete/remove that audio file.

IE... I use my iPad as a sound module inside Logic but prefer MIDI as it's easier to edit, uses less CPU and HD space. But whenever I delete the audio file I recorded, that MIDI file turns to a regular MIDI file (ie a piano).

Another alternative is to quickly sample the audio file from my iPad into Logic's sampler, but it doesn't come close to sounding the same without taking the time to tweak it. You lose almost all of the effects (reverb, lowpass, drive etc) thus losing the character of the original. I like to use AUM to create layered sounds and record them into Logic and trying to sample them into Sampler converts a multi layered thick yumminess into vanilla.

I hope that was a better explanation.

Ahh OK. Unfortunately the answer isn't going to be what you'd like.

MIDI is just instructions to play a note or turn a control in an app. It doesn't know anything about the app that it is sent to. Think of it like a piece of music written on paper. You can hand that paper to a piano player, a flute player, a harp player, etc. They will all play the same notes, but there is nothing on that paper that can tell a piano to sound like a flute, or a flute like a harp.

So, no, a midi file can't be used to make a different app sound the same as when you first played it.

You probably need to focus on why when you record into the sampler it isn't carrying all the FX that you want into the recording. Audio flows in a path, for instance: synth > drive > chorus > reverb. If you sample right after the synth (synth > sampler > drive > chorus > reverb), you'll only record the synth and miss the rest. If you place it at the end of the chain (synth > drive > chorus > reverb > sampler), you'll capture everything.

It sounds to me like what you're doing is creating a midi track in Logic, sending that midi to the iPad, and then sending the audio from the iPad into Logic (the iPad is acting like a sound module). You record that, but then delete the audio file, leaving only the MIDI. This is normal. The only thing you can do is to send that midi to the iPad again and re-record the audio file.

Sorry, there is no way around this. Audio and midi are two different things. Midi can't carry any audio information.

I hope that helps to understand, even if it isn't what you hoped to hear.

Thanks once again, I was already anticipating hearing bad news but was hoping this app had some magic and managed to encode the source into MIDI.

Thank you for the advice