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What midi routing possibilities would you like to see in Cubasis and why?
hi everyone, just a quick survey.
What midi routing possibilities would you like to see in Cubasis and why?
how would you use a vocoder for example in Cubasis 3 with the midi routing you have in mind?
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Midi sends ala NS2 so that I can easily stack synths and/or easily experiment with different synths (including external) without futzing with my initial track. Also, stuff like send chords to both a piano sound and via an arp plugin to a separate synth.
I’d like to route the MIDI output of one track to another, i.e. so I can have a track per percussion sound all feeding a plug-in on 1 track. This will overlap with multi-output support - in ZenBeats the tracks for multi-outputs can be used for this. I can’t say I’m a big fan of conflating MIDI and audio that in Cubase terms I think began after the Cubase VST era. I guess it makes an easy workflow for plug-in instruments but it’s also limiting.
Multing MIDI to layer tracks mentioned above is also a good idea.
Full Input <-> Output routing matrix ala apeMatrix / AUM for both Audio & Midi!
Why? So we don't get stuck with too many "no can do's".
Why can't I as an example route data from a midi-track to a plug-in hosted on an audio-track?
(Vocoders, Pitch-Shifters, Side-Chainers, Re-Tuners and other types of controllable Effects etc).
Why can't I as an example route midi to multiple midi-tracks to layer sounds without duplicating the midi-data?
(One Chord track that is sent to an arpeggiator or layered with other sounds or otherwise processed).
Why can't I as an example use the audio output from a midi-track as an input for an audio-track, plug-in or sampler?
Midi and Audio routing are 'standard' features in any modern DAW so the 'Why?' is kinda redundant no?
To keep 'Cubasis' simple it could have 'layered tracks' (ie. Both Audio & Midi on the same track as a 'work-around').
Cubasis already has 'Input & Output' settings for tracks, just the option to 'add/select' track or tracks is missing.
(Ie. one track could both receive and output data to multiple tracks).
These are just a few use-cases and nothing new or 'revolutionary', maybe only on iOS/iPadOS...
Cheers!
Would like a pre/post fx option for AU midi fx and also to use midi channels for filtering by channel options similar to AUM.
Reaper on desktop is a great example and has a routing matrix.
Well, I do most of my midi in Drambo (standalone) then send to C3. Then I use an old ipad to control Drambo (from another Drambo ) , pretty cool.
All my tracks in C3 also have an instance of drambo as mfx in an audio insert, let me control various things, mainly volume using my keyboard knobs, faders, .. using CC. C3 by itself is a bit dumb, imo, midi and audio routing is archaic, but in combo with other apps it becomes the best or all worlds.
Not sure if this will happen one day, but an auv3 that can host other auv3 would be great.
For midi routing inside c3 i use sometimes midi bus.
So with c3, drambo, atom2 and a bunch of mozaic + some midi and audio tools i can do a few things.
Interesting points here.
So basically lets say track A with midi event on it controlling other instances of the same AUv3?
This is interesting and valid point. just be patient 😝
Would this be similar to multi out ? Like Having one track of Drambo for example with the midi on it and have the audio (8 Drambo tracks) of the that instance routed to their own channel in Cubasis?
Again patience, i have trust in Lars and his team ☺️
The pre and post midi fx is interesting.how does it work? Is there a video of it?
I'll 're-phrase' and clarify!
Let's say you've created a Midi track with 'chords' that is the 'core' of the arrangement, we'll call this 'Track 1'.
Now let's create 'Track 2' add a new synth and use the midi-output from 'Track 1' run it thru an arpeggiator before triggering the sound on Track 2.
Onto 'Track 3' here we use the midi-output from Track 1 and filter out the lowest note and feed it to a feed it to a bass-synth.
This way if we need to make changes to our 'arrangement' we can just change the chords on Track 1 and the two other tracks will follow.
Other use cases would be to use 'Midi Only' tracks and route them all to one AUv3.
(For example create 6 individual tracks and feed to to Ruismaker FM hosted on Track 7).
or add visible 'Sub Tracks' to a Track.
Currently it's possible to 'layer' midi and audio-events on the Cubasis time-line but no easy way to arrange them.
Think of 'overlapping' audio & midi-events as a 'folder' but currently Cubasis has no 'track expand / collate' for overlapping events on a track.
The 'routing' is pretty easy to fix without overcomplicating the UI.
Just as it's possible to select External Inputs, IAA and AudioBus an 'Internal' option would be sufficient.
When selected any track in Cubasis becomes a selectable option and depending on 'Track Type' we could select Audio or Midi. (This 'Internal' option is the way BM3 works where you can select any pad or bank as the audio-source).
Under 'Interal' an additional option for 'Plug-Ins' would be needed and this list would be populated based on the capabilities of the plug-ins currently used in the project.
Hope it clarifies a bit of how my 'crazy brain' works
More pithily stated - additional MIDI tracks for an instrument track (of course you can do this for hardware just be setting port and maybe channel the same on several tracks)
Another audio routing feature I’d like would be to route a send to a track, to permit things like EQing a reverb.
And bring back MIDI ghost parts originating in Atari days!
Regarding multiple midi-tracks for one 'destination'.
When my Juno-106 was still working I used the classic Cubase Score and had 3 tracks that were sent to the Juno-106.
One Track for 'Bass' (Lower Octaves 1 note), One Track for 'Chords' (Middle of the Keyboard 3 notes) and Track for 'Lead' (1 note). That pushed the 106's 6 note polyphony to the max.
So yeah, I wish to see a 'Track Folders' with separate midi-events for one 'Target' for easier arrangement.
This would make drum arranging easier too...
A step sequencer could be a real boon as well. I love Logic Pro's step-sequencer that has nice shortcuts like pre-set notes for the selected project scale among other nice things.
Looking forward to the next Cubasis update, would be a golden opportunity for April Fools jokes
(Like Drambo that was released on April 1st last year).
All I’m gonna say is this. Lars and his team have a lot of big surprises coming on the next update. When will it drop? I’d say soon, but not Atom 2 soon or NNs2 audio track soon. This is like soon soon. You will be surprised 😝
Cool, I've got some store-credits left just in case there's a bunch of IAPs
Not sure you will need them. But keep them close just in case ☺️
For how long?
It’s sort of there already in that you can effect the midi on the track and choose to record the output. I was thinking there could be an option to send either the track midi, or the effected midi to another track.
So you could have and arp midi fx with chords on the track and have the option to send the chords to another track or the arp fx output.
AUM has pre/post fx sends for audio:
Looking forward to the update if it’s coming soon, haven’t used CB3 as much lately.
When you say pre post for audio, do you mean effects in pre and pro fade? If that’s it, Cubasis 3 has this for a while now. But for in regards to the rest, just have patience ☺️
What @samu said.