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ChowTape Public Beta

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  • tahichetahiche

    @richardyot said:

    @tahiche said:
    Possibly stupid question...
    I have the beta installed and use it on some projects. What happens if I install the release version?. Do I have 2 or does it overwrite the beta?. I don’t want to screw up the projects already using the beta.
    Cheers!

    The update will overwrite the beta and your existing projects should work the same as before :)

    Thanks!. It’s scary, though 🙃

  • ervinervin

    @tahiche said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    I had a mix I’ve been struggling with for two weeks now because i couldn’t get the Rhodes piano riff to pop. I tried every trick in my toolbox and nothing sounded right because of the challenges of the Rhodes frequency range. Put ChowTape on it last night with the gritty setting and boom. The Rhodes popped out of the speakers. Love this app!

    I did the exact same on this track. Used a Korg Module electric piano that wasn’t too exciting by itself. ChowTape totally changed the vibe and character, turned it into something completely new. You can use ChowTape to subtlety enhance a track, like I’ve done on bass and drums here, or radically change it like the Electric Piano.

    👊

  • GavinskiGavinski
    edited April 2021

    I will have a video on this beautiful free app coming out very shortly, keep your eyes peeled for the separate thread I will make for that. Such a great plugin!

  • chowdspchowdsp

    Hi AudioBussers,

    I've been working on updating ChowTape for version 2.9.0, and made a TestFlight build in case anyone wants to give it a try on iOS.

    The main changes are:

    • Improved performance for the hysteresis processing (I wrote about it here if anyone's curious)
    • New "Tape Compression" processor
    • More flexible oversampling choices (linear-phase vs. minimum phase, real-time vs. rendering)
    • I think I fixed whatever was making it crash on iOS 15

    Anyway, any testing is always appreciated. If anyone wants to test the latest changes on desktop, feel free to give the nightly builds a try.

    Thanks,
    Jatin

  • NeuMNeuM

    @chowdsp said:
    Hi AudioBussers,

    I've been working on updating ChowTape for version 2.9.0, and made a TestFlight build in case anyone wants to give it a try on iOS.

    The main changes are:

    • Improved performance for the hysteresis processing (I wrote about it here if anyone's curious)
    • New "Tape Compression" processor
    • More flexible oversampling choices (linear-phase vs. minimum phase, real-time vs. rendering)
    • I think I fixed whatever was making it crash on iOS 15

    Anyway, any testing is always appreciated. If anyone wants to test the latest changes on desktop, feel free to give the nightly builds a try.

    Thanks,
    Jatin

    It's been a fun app to use so far. Looking forward to improvements.

  • chowdspchowdsp

    Hey folks! There's a new TestFlight build for ChowTape available today (link). There's not many iOS-specific changes, but any testing is always helpful and appreciated! The full Changelog for the upcoming release can be found here.

  • PeteSasqwaxPeteSasqwax

    ChowTape is literally the best, most accurate and most powerful tape effect plugin in existence. Anywhere. In any format. Thank you immensely for this @chowdsp - and thank you for sharing your academic papers regarding both it and your other research work.

  • tahichetahiche
    edited June 2022

    @chowdsp said:
    Hey folks! There's a new TestFlight build for ChowTape available today (link). There's not many iOS-specific changes, but any testing is always helpful and appreciated! The full Changelog for the upcoming release can be found here.

    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

  • chowdspchowdsp

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @chowdsp said:

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

    It would be golden if this pearls of information were contained inside apps, I just read this by coincidence, it's something I would never have known if I didn't happen to check the forum today.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @cokomairena said:

    @chowdsp said:

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

    It would be golden if this pearls of information were contained inside apps, I just read this by coincidence, it's something I would never have known if I didn't happen to check the forum today.

    On the other hand, one need not wade through a Math course to use these apps. Just experiment and have fun with them. ;)

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @cokomairena said:

    @chowdsp said:

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

    It would be golden if this pearls of information were contained inside apps, I just read this by coincidence, it's something I would never have known if I didn't happen to check the forum today.

    It would be great if when people find pearl's of wisdom, they could add the to the wiki:

    https://wiki.audiob.us

    Over time the wiki can become a repository for a vast trove of easily findable helpful info if even just a few more people would participate.

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @espiegel123 said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @chowdsp said:

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

    It would be golden if this pearls of information were contained inside apps, I just read this by coincidence, it's something I would never have known if I didn't happen to check the forum today.

    It would be great if when people find pearl's of wisdom, they could add the to the wiki:

    https://wiki.audiob.us

    Over time the wiki can become a repository for a vast trove of easily findable helpful info if even just a few more people would participate.

    I had no idea about the wiki, and I like to think I'm pretty involved. Having these tips inside the app would make it much more accessible, but that would depend on each developer which I recon it's imposible, I'll try to collaborate in the wiki

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @cokomairena said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @chowdsp said:

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

    It would be golden if this pearls of information were contained inside apps, I just read this by coincidence, it's something I would never have known if I didn't happen to check the forum today.

    It would be great if when people find pearl's of wisdom, they could add the to the wiki:

    https://wiki.audiob.us

    Over time the wiki can become a repository for a vast trove of easily findable helpful info if even just a few more people would participate.

    I had no idea about the wiki, and I like to think I'm pretty involved. Having these tips inside the app would make it much more accessible, but that would depend on each developer which I recon it's imposible, I'll try to collaborate in the wiki.

    Did you requested to add ChowTape? I can't find it on the wiki

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @cokomairena said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @chowdsp said:

    @tahiche said:
    Great to see it’s being constantly improved. One of my most used plugins. I actually drop it on every single drum bus. As to the recent beta… What is “ Added multi-channel processing support” ?. Does it have to do with mix groups?. I’ve never used mix groups in the plugin.
    Love the new presets and preset system!.
    I was just re-reading the manual. It seems to me that Hysteresis modes (algorithms) are often overlooked and they’re probably one of the most important settings of the app. Personally I don’t know if I can tell the difference… What would you say is the best method/settings to compare the different algorithms?.
    Thank u so much for giving us these great apps! 🙌🤟

    Thank you!

    Multi-channel support (not sure if there's a better term for this kind of thing?) mean's support for tracks with more than two channels, for example if you're working on a 5.1 surround mix, or with ambisonics, or something like that. So far I've been testing this feature on desktop using Reaper and Pro Tools. I'm not sure if there's any iOS plugin hosts that support multi-channel mixing?

    Yeah, the hysteresis mode is definitely pretty important internally! The "STN" and "V1" modes are more "unique" algorithms that have their own sort of different sound. The other algorithms (RK2, RK4, NR4, and NR8) are basically trying to solve the same equation under the hood, just using different methods. This simplest way to think about these is that they're listed in order of worst-to-best precision, or best-to-worst CPU usage. So RK2 solves the equation with the least amount of precision, but uses the least CPU, while NR8 has the best precision, but also uses the most CPU.

    That said, I hesitate to say any one mode is "better" than another, since there have definitely been times in my mixes where I prefer the sound of the RK2 mode just because it fits the sound of whatever track I'm working on. Usually, I'll use RK2 on most things, unless it's an "important" track like a master bus, or lead vocal track, in which case I'll experiment with NR4/NR8, or with more oversampling. I find the STN mode has a slightly different frequency response which can be a nice change of pace, plus it's not as aggressive when the tape is "underbiased", so I'll sometimes use STN mode if I'm looking for that particular sound. Like you mentioned, it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference, especially depending on the input signal, and how much the signal is saturating. In that case, sticking with RK2 probably makes sense since it uses the least CPU.

    It would be golden if this pearls of information were contained inside apps, I just read this by coincidence, it's something I would never have known if I didn't happen to check the forum today.

    It would be great if when people find pearl's of wisdom, they could add the to the wiki:

    https://wiki.audiob.us

    Over time the wiki can become a repository for a vast trove of easily findable helpful info if even just a few more people would participate.

    I had no idea about the wiki, and I like to think I'm pretty involved. Having these tips inside the app would make it much more accessible, but that would depend on each developer which I recon it's imposible, I'll try to collaborate in the wiki.

    Did you requested to add ChowTape? I can't find it on the wiki

    Please go ahead and add it. There is form you can use (look for "Quick Add an App" on the wiki front page) to add a page for an app or AU. You could also add a new page without using the form.

    Thanks for participating!

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