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app for Secondary Dominant chords ??

erosseross
in General App Discussion

are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

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  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    @eross said:
    are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

    Look at Chordez. It’s a bit clunky but has a large amount of chord substitution features. In fact that’s exactly what I bought it for.

  • SkyblazerSkyblazer

    @eross said:
    are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

    Suggester does...haven't tried Chordez.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @eross said:
    are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

    Do you want the app just to show what secondary dominant chord for each chord in a progression is or do want the app to insert a secondary dominant before selected chords?

  • erosseross

    @espiegel123 said:

    @eross said:
    are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

    Do you want the app just to show what secondary dominant chord for each chord in a progression is or do want the app to insert a secondary dominant before selected chords?

    i just learned about secondary dominates a few days ago. just trying to find a quick way to figure out what the secondary dominate is.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @eross said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @eross said:
    are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

    Do you want the app just to show what secondary dominant chord for each chord in a progression is or do want the app to insert a secondary dominant before selected chords?

    i just learned about secondary dominates a few days ago. just trying to find a quick way to figure out what the secondary dominate is.

    They are nothing more than the dominant chord a fifth above the chord in question.It is straightforward to figure out what any chord’s secondary dominant is. Just count five note names up from the chord in question.

    Are you trying to identify them in existing chord progressions or wanting to use them for reharmonization?

  • erosseross

    @espiegel123 said:

    @eross said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @eross said:
    are there any apps that let you enter a chord progression, and show secondary dominates for that progression? I do t think tonality will?

    Do you want the app just to show what secondary dominant chord for each chord in a progression is or do want the app to insert a secondary dominant before selected chords?

    i just learned about secondary dominates a few days ago. just trying to find a quick way to figure out what the secondary dominate is.

    They are nothing more than the dominant chord a fifth above the chord in question.It is straightforward to figure out what any chord’s secondary dominant is. Just count five note names up from the chord in question.

    Are you trying to identify them in existing chord progressions or wanting to use them for reharmonization?

    use them for reharmonization. I looke at Chordez app. looks cool

    i might try that to. thanks

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    You just need to count to 5, and play a 7th chord of that note. Say you're in C (because it's simplest to talk about), G7 is the dominant, it leads to C. C>D>E>F>G, so G is a 5th up.

    But you can take any other chord that's in that scale and make a dominant, but it will be called a secondary dominant.
    So if you're playing an Am chord, count up 5 (ABCDE) - E7 is the secondary dominant of Am in the key of C.
    If you're playing a Dm chord ... DEFGA - A7 is the secondary dominant for Dm.
    Note that these chords will have notes that aren't in the standard scale. A7 has a C# instead of C natural, E7 has a G# instead of G natural. So a secondary dominant is always major, even when normally that chord would be minor in any given key.

    So skip the app, count to 5 instead. Hope that makes sense.

  • McDMcD

    C-G-D-A-E-B-F#-C#-G#-D#-A#-E#/F-C
    C-G-D-A-E-B-Gb-Db-Ab-Eb-Bb-F-C

    Print that out. Your Secondary Dominant is to the right on the note your using.
    Memorize it on some instruments.

    It's the circle of 5ths. There are 12 unique notes in each line.
    Top line uses sharps as needed
    Bottom line uses flats as needed

    (I put that E# in there to highlight the A#-E# relationship)
    E# is an F
    B# is a C
    E#-B# is another crazy pairing

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    @McD said:
    C-G-D-A-E-B-F#-C#-G#-D#-A#-E#/F-C
    C-G-D-A-E-B-Gb-Db-Ab-Eb-Bb-F-C

    Print that out. Your Secondary Dominant is to the right on the note your using.
    Memorize it on some instruments.

    It's the circle of 5ths. There are 12 unique notes in each line.
    Top line uses sharps as needed
    Bottom line uses flats as needed

    (I put that E# in there to highlight the A#-E# relationship)
    E# is an F
    B# is a C
    E#-B# is another crazy pairing

    Thanks @McD

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @McD said:
    C-G-D-A-E-B-F#-C#-G#-D#-A#-E#/F-C
    C-G-D-A-E-B-Gb-Db-Ab-Eb-Bb-F-C

    Print that out. Your Secondary Dominant is to the right on the note your using.
    Memorize it on some instruments.

    It's the circle of 5ths. There are 12 unique notes in each line.
    Top line uses sharps as needed
    Bottom line uses flats as needed

    (I put that E# in there to highlight the A#-E# relationship)
    E# is an F
    B# is a C
    E#-B# is another crazy pairing

    Just printing a circle of fifths and keeping it somewhere to hand is really useful, and eventually you pretty much have it memorized. IMO it’s a way better tool than an app.

  • pedropedro

    Whenever the secondary dominant resolves to a minor chord, use a 7th chord with a flat 9th or 13th, for that added flavor

  • ArtjArtj

    Make sure that, when you count for the fifth, the fifth must be a perfect 5th, i.e., 7 semitones above the root of the chord.
    So, another easy way to find the dominant 7th is to just identify the fifth of your major or minor chord, the build a dominant 7th from that note. For example, if you want to find a secondary dominant of ii: in C major, ii is Dm, which is D-F-A. The fifth of Dm is A. Therefore A7 is V7/ii (A-C#-E-G).
    Incidentally, after you identify A7 as V7/ii, theoretically viiº/ii is also called a secondary dominant. Easy way to find this is to just use the third of your secondary dom. as the root of viiº. So, if you know that A7 (A-C#-E-G) is V7/ii, then, C#º (C#-E-G) is viiº/ii.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    Type secondary dominants into google image and scroll down until you see a wheel chart.

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