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What the HELL is the problem with shortening DAW clips from the beginning ?

db909db909
in General App Discussion

This is such a simple thing and yet it seems so rare. When I have a clip on the timeline, I want to be able to shorten it from BOTH beginning and end. Seems few daws on iOS support this very basic no brained editing function. Arranging could be so much easier. So what’s the deal? Is it like a really resource hungry computing process to program or something?

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  • db909db909

    @ehehehe said:
    It’s easy in Cubasis, either by splitting and deleting on the timeline or cropping the sample after opening it in the editor.

    Of course but that right there is my problem. Why should we tasked with doing all that instead of having a nice resizing handle on the front end?

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited April 2021

    @db909 said:

    @ehehehe said:
    It’s easy in Cubasis, either by splitting and deleting on the timeline or cropping the sample after opening it in the editor.

    Of course but that right there is my problem. Why should we tasked with doing all that instead of having a nice resizing handle on the front end?

    Cubasis is one of the good ones...

    If only BM3 had the basic clip editing of Cubasis, sigh... with the actual waveform view changing with faders and levels like Auria/Samplitude and with the ability to scale the waveform display. If each BM3 audio clip could have the same settings as a sample on a pad for pitch and pan etc... le sigh... oh and throw in half height summed stereo view like Samplitude. Desktop forever I guess, le sigh x2

  • ChancedMusicChancedMusic

    @AudioGus said:

    @db909 said:

    @ehehehe said:
    It’s easy in Cubasis, either by splitting and deleting on the timeline or cropping the sample after opening it in the editor.

    Of course but that right there is my problem. Why should we tasked with doing all that instead of having a nice resizing handle on the front end?

    Cubasis is one of the good ones...

    If only BM3 had the basic clip editing of Cubasis, sigh... with the actual waveform view changing with faders and levels like Auria/Samplitude and with the ability to scale the waveform display. If each BM3 audio clip could have the same settings as a sample on a pad for pitch and pan etc... le sigh... oh and throw in half height summed stereo view like Samplitude. Desktop forever I guess, le sigh x2

    Thanks for saving me the time of doing a vid lol

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @db909 said:
    This is such a simple thing and yet it seems so rare. When I have a clip on the timeline, I want to be able to shorten it from BOTH beginning and end. Seems few daws on iOS support this very basic no brained editing function. Arranging could be so much easier. So what’s the deal? Is it like a really resource hungry computing process to program or something?

    It is generally much harder to program than shortening it from the end, yeah. Most sequencers probably store the beginning of each clip as one number, and its length as another. So modifying the length of a clip (shortening it from the right) is simply a matter of updating a single number in code.

    When shortening from the beginning, you need to change both the "start" number AND the length number. Not only that, but the data inside clips is mostly stored with times relative to the beginning of the clip, which just changed, so all of that needs to be updated too.

    (I'm just guessing on others' implementations. In Xequence, each clip has, apart from "starting position" and "length", a third number which is interpreted as a kind of "start offset". It's initially zero, and changes as soon as you shorten / lenghten a clip from the left. That approach has the advantage that the data inside the clip never needs to be changed because it is still relative to the "original start" number).

    Not sure if anyone even cared 😄

  • db909db909

    @SevenSystems said:

    @db909 said:
    This is such a simple thing and yet it seems so rare. When I have a clip on the timeline, I want to be able to shorten it from BOTH beginning and end. Seems few daws on iOS support this very basic no brained editing function. Arranging could be so much easier. So what’s the deal? Is it like a really resource hungry computing process to program or something?

    It is generally much harder to program than shortening it from the end, yeah. Most sequencers probably store the beginning of each clip as one number, and its length as another. So modifying the length of a clip (shortening it from the right) is simply a matter of updating a single number in code.

    When shortening from the beginning, you need to change both the "start" number AND the length number. Not only that, but the data inside clips is mostly stored with times relative to the beginning of the clip, which just changed, so all of that needs to be updated too.

    (I'm just guessing on others' implementations. In Xequence, each clip has, apart from "starting position" and "length", a third number which is interpreted as a kind of "start offset". It's initially zero, and changes as soon as you shorten / lenghten a clip from the left. That approach has the advantage that the data inside the clip never needs to be changed because it is still relative to the "original start" number).

    Not sure if anyone even cared 😄

    No that was good! Thanks for the insight. It’s less mystifying now

  • ervinervin

    @SevenSystems said:

    @db909 said:
    This is such a simple thing and yet it seems so rare. When I have a clip on the timeline, I want to be able to shorten it from BOTH beginning and end. Seems few daws on iOS support this very basic no brained editing function. Arranging could be so much easier. So what’s the deal? Is it like a really resource hungry computing process to program or something?

    It is generally much harder to program than shortening it from the end, yeah. Most sequencers probably store the beginning of each clip as one number, and its length as another. So modifying the length of a clip (shortening it from the right) is simply a matter of updating a single number in code.

    When shortening from the beginning, you need to change both the "start" number AND the length number. Not only that, but the data inside clips is mostly stored with times relative to the beginning of the clip, which just changed, so all of that needs to be updated too.

    (I'm just guessing on others' implementations. In Xequence, each clip has, apart from "starting position" and "length", a third number which is interpreted as a kind of "start offset". It's initially zero, and changes as soon as you shorten / lenghten a clip from the left. That approach has the advantage that the data inside the clip never needs to be changed because it is still relative to the "original start" number).

    Not sure if anyone even cared 😄

    Thanks for taking the time to explain. I for one do appreciate the education.

  • EmanresuEmanresu
    edited April 2021

    I like how it is implemented in FLS mobile, not only shortening on both sides, but also the way to move all data stored in the clip (midi, audio and automation), including outside its boundaries on the track

  • db909db909

    @Emanresu said:
    I like how it is implemented in FLS mobile, not only shortening on both sides, but also the way to move all data stored in the clip (midi, audio and automation), including outside its boundaries on the track

    Very nice

  • SabicasSabicas

    Trimming from both ends is easy in Auria.

  • rs2000rs2000

    It's not rare at all. Audio Evolution and Gadget support non-destructive start and end point adjustment of audio clips as well.

  • db909db909

    @rs2000 said:
    It's not rare at all. Audio Evolution and Gadget support non-destructive start and end point adjustment of audio clips as well.

    Maybe I’m just mad at Ns2 and BM3 making me split clips on the timeline, which is what we’re talking about. Any audio editor would of course let you do as you say or it wouldn’t be worth it. Timeline clips

  • db909db909

    @db909 said:

    @rs2000 said:
    It's not rare at all. Audio Evolution and Gadget support non-destructive start and end point adjustment of audio clips as well.

    Maybe I’m just mad at Ns2 and BM3 making me split clips on the timeline, which is what we’re talking about. Any audio editor would of course let you do as you say or it wouldn’t be worth it. Timeline clips/patterns

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