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Improvisation And Composed Music

edited April 2021 in Other

Apparently, Beethoven called it “Extemporizing”. Not everyone is aware that improvising was a valued skill in olden days as well. Every great composer used it to some degree. It’s a skill that can be learned and worth acquiring.

This borrowed from PianoWorld forum...

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3107622/re-did-many-of-the-great-piano-compositions-start-out.html#Post3107622

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  • edited April 2021

    @LinearLineman said:
    Apparently, Beethoven called it “Extemporizing”. Not everyone is aware that improvising was a valued skill in olden days as well. Every great composer used it to some degree. It’s a skill that can be learned and worth acquiring.

    This borrowed from PianoWorld forum...

    http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3107622/re-did-many-of-the-great-piano-compositions-start-out.html#Post3107622

    Wow very interesting. Also horrendous looking forum. Thank you for no ads @Michael. If I didn’t have everything you put out already I’d buy the next app just for that alone ha.

  • edited April 2021

    @mjcouche, PianoWorld is worthwhile, but it negatively contrasts with ABF in several ways. There is often a snarkiness that is rarely heard here and, whereas no question is condescended to on ABF, that is not the case on PianoWorld.

  • Whitmer’s Art of Improvisation may be of interest to those wishing to explore improv from a non-jazz perspective - it was originally written as a manual for organists, with an eye towards church playing, I think. Check it out: https://archive.org/details/artofimprovisati010292mbp/page/n7/mode/2up

  • Arnold Schoenberg supposedly wrote ""Composition is slowed down improvisation":
    https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/jazz/music-101/

    Wayne Shorter says “Composition is just improvisation slowed down, and improvisation is just composition sped up" in the book Footprints: The Life and Work of Wayne Shorter.

    I recall hearing a similar statement from either Herbie Hancock or Chick Corea. I'm sure all of those guys were familiar with Schoenberg.

    I recall getting an emotional reaction from a guy who was doing weekend gigs as a keyboard player and did something else for a living during the week. He had formed a worldview that did not allow for a continuum between improvisation and composition. He simply could not imagine that it is possible to compose something on the fly, and had a firmly held belief that all solos must have been worked out in advance (composed), while ironically not understanding that to compose something is, in fact, to improvise something - you're just taking your sweet time doing it, without the added stress of a rhythm section burning at 250 bpm.

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