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@dendy you know that commodity prices fluctuate far more than inflation does. And commodity prices crashed last year due to the pandemic, but inflation truthers completely ignore that.
A single commodity, or even a number of commodities, can increase in price due to supply shortages. This has zero to do with "money printing".
Just look at lumber: prices shot up as the economy reopened and sawmills couldn't keep up with the renewed demand, but then prices fell steadily as they increased their capacity. These are classic supply-and-demand problems, that are not monetary in nature.
BTW I absolutely expect to see higher than average inflation this year, especially in the US. The large stimulus package practically guarantees that - but as long as growth outstrips inflation it won't make US citizens poorer.
Inflation is necessary to growth, but as long as the economy grows faster than inflation society as a whole gets richer.
Growth is driven by productivity: as productivity increases over time we are able to produce more goods and services, which means we all have more stuff to enjoy. But productivity growth is driven by spending - firms need customers to buy their goods otherwise they don't invest (what's the point in investing if it doesn't lead to more sales?). Deflation (by definition) means less spending, and thus fewer sales for businesses, and slower growth.
So the ideal outcome is steady low inflation, coupled with productivity growth that outpaces that inflation.
Get ready for $10/gal. gas in California.
Oh, yeah, that will definitely happen. But it should. Americans pay way too little for gasoline, and it's a disaster, but I'm guessing that's not what you meant.
To be honest I'm not seeing anything weird with oil prices, just the bounce you would expect to see as the economy reopens, but nothing particularly steep right now:
I mean last year the world used so little oil that it was oil storage that shot up in price, and of course the price of oil itself tanked completely.
Maybe that's clearer in a more zoomed-out view:
This is great news for Bitcoin
I said it from very first moment, this "china is going to ban mining" is actually good not bad
I guess that's because their goverment is not that greedy.. in some EU states tax makes significant part of gas price, in Slovakia it is i think 60% !! Greedy goverment needs money to steal and waste..
edit: here, it's bonus of OECD countries https://taxfoundation.org/oecd-gas-tax/
so it's nit that gas is (was) cheap it US.. it is overpriced because of taxes in EU
i'm really glad i don't live in US.. what is this socialist going to do with that poor country will be fail of biblical proportions ... i can see how rich people and companies (who are giving jobs to people, by running businesses) are moving to other countries to avoid staying in tax hell, and national debt rises to sky..
expecting some war intervention of US in some middle east country in next 2-3 years...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/business/economy/biden-plan.html
Yes he should have done more tax cuts for the rich instead 🤪
Is there a similar graph for toilet rolls about that time?
There is, but the values are inverted.
Please end this thread right here. Perfecto.
California is on the high side nationally, but here there are about 30% in taxes and fees per gallon.
Prices should be determined by functioning markets, not politicians and certainly not by radical Greens.
And yet oil taxes are going up in California… why is that?
I hope this thread doesn't go off the rails into politics having nothing to do with the subject of the thread.
Yeah I don’t keep up to date with Californian politics 😀
And you shouldn’t! They’re awful.
We can very easily get back on track, however it would be exceedingly naive to think politics won’t continue to play a role in crypto. Overeager lawmakers will always want to get in on a bigger slice of the pie. They did it to healthcare and insurance markets in the US. Crypto will see the same meddling and worse as it gets bigger.
No argument there.
Back to crypto. Starting to be really bored by Bitcoin price action last 2 days. It goes nowhere. 2 more such days and i turn on again my Digitone and Digitakt
Thanks god tomorrow Options expiration day, that may trigger some interesting action... missing that adrenaline 10k up and down in one day
Ok here something to discuss, partially related. Saw opinion, and i tend to agree, it's good idea to have as store of value something digital, which only reason of existence is storing value, nothing else.
Because when as store of value is used something what has also other use cases in real world (like gold , silver - jewelry, electronics or even stuff like corn or whatever commodity you choose, or real eastate), in case it's value rises, it's other "real world" use case starts suffer. People can't afford houses for living, electronics price goes up, etc.
So. Bitcoin really is perfect store of value on which people agreed, because it's value rising up doesn't harm any other aspect of economy.
I think. This is pretty unique. Can't think about any other scarce asset with such feature.
Ethereum mining has meant it's been impossible to buy a GPU for the last 5 months, and Chia is just starting to do the same thing to hard drives. Not exactly because of Bitcoin, but crypto is definitely causing shortages.
chia is shitcoin level infinity.. i'm here with you.. it even causes harddrives to die quickly.. hope this shit dies for good during bear market... ethereum is also not too much favourite coin of mine, so i agree..
Even throuh chips shortage is primary not caused by mining this time, i think we already discussed that and i posted few relevant links on this topic. For lot of chip shortsge is responsible partially apple and also automotive industry and rapid growth of IoT. Even ethereum miniers were suffering by lack of cards since winter 2020.
Anyway yes. Bitcoin is signal, rest is noise. In general i don't see much difference between Etherum and fiat currency - both unlimited supply, both more or less centralized.
I think that in the future, and it’s only my opinion about these things, is that in the future Eth will become the dominant cryptocurrency not BTC, and most of the industrial ‘wiring’ or ‘plumbing’ will be based on what we are now calling Eth2 (it won’t be called that by then, it’ll just be Eth, but it’ll have the intended improvements). BTC won’t go away, it’ll still be doing what it does, but the ‘big money’ attention will shift to Eth networks. Probably not tomorrow, but in many years. At that stage we’ll look back at these Wild West days (whatever that phrase means, I’ve been to Bristol and it seemed fairly well behaved to me) and laugh at how chaotic and aimless it all was. We’ll know those days have arrived when we see BTC’s volatility start to not affect Eth overly directly, they’ll be a lot more decoupled.
Depends whether or not fiat currency standards are able to survive the downward debt spiral the world is descending into now.
Good on you mate, at least you knew you were in Bristol. In my case, I had to find out from my GPS after the fact because even though I apparently was there I couldn't see a thing from the rain.