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It's really great to hear the quality output of such an expressive instrument through these three apps. I do agree that listening to them is one thing and playing them is something else. I love a good piano in the wood and steel flesh and I still love the mechanical feel of that, but these apps sound amazing and I'm hoping that the one I chose as my favourite is the one I actually own otherwise it could be shopping time again.
Thanks to you, we have reached page #2 ! 😉
And I notice that piano #3 has received lately 1 pt for the first time.
There's usually one person that gets the ratings scale backwards. But someone could
prefer a bright tone. In a mix the brightest sound punches to the forefront. In this case,
there no competition for the forefront so the tone becomes key to differentiating them
along with all the subtitles like imaging and the quality of the paint job. I like a nice lacquer finish with a hint of almonds.
Vote if your lurking
Let the earlier rounds go by, but couldn't miss out on the final.
For this fast waltz, no 1 was far and away the most enjoyable, then 3 and 2.
I can imagine no 1 being too bright for slow and somber pieces.
My cans are on the darker side so, that's definitely a factor.
Interesting thought. I wonder how many people could have used something like Morphit to listen to these pieces on a mor even playing field between listeners.
@Paulo164 when we wrapping this thing up?
So here is the video I promised, it focuses more on Pure Piano and the features, but there is also a feature & sound comparison to the other pianos. I hope this helps in making a decision (or just get all of them, won't be a mistake in any case)
There's some discussion about being able to EQ all 3 to be equal but I think that's an assumption we should let pass. EQ can enhance the volume of frequencies that exist in the signal. They cannot add new ones.
@Paulo164 I think we should disclose the EQ settings at work here with the results so people can see how much room is left to add more highs or lows to the sounds presented.
I know you showed your EQ's on an another thread for that app and it's very useful to see that level of detail in the results.
Thanks a lot Florian for this video.
I totally agree with you regarding the pros and cons about Pure Piano vs. Ravenscroft.
Pure Piano has a fantastic tone and is very versatile. Ravenscroft remains for my the king of resonances and thus a joy to play.
In the same field, we could mention also sample length. A C-0 sustained note lasts almost twice on Ravenscroft as on Pure Piano (Ivory is far behind).
Sure !
Here are my EQ settings used in Pure Piano and Ravenscroft for the test.
Edit : Ivory’s settings are shown 3 post below as it was @McD who rendered the MIDI file.
Very helpful @Paulo164. Did you tweak each piano to have a similar EQ profile or were you aiming to present what you considered to be the best tone for each instrument? I ask as there’s a considerable mid boost applied to Ravenscroft.
Btw, I also prefer the timbre dial left of noon on RC275.
Both :
Indeed, I prefer also to set « timbre » parameter on -1 or -2 in Ravenscroft in order to have a more mellow tone ☺️
I was wondering about the Korg and then it hit me... you don't own the Korg... I do. Let me see what I used and post the image. I tried to emphasize the mid's and highs as your Pure EQ's settings do... just not as much as your highs. Feel free to grab this image and insert it into your comment above and then I'll delete this text.
https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/0s/o5ceduuj0hs3.png
Yes, I just added a footnote in my post above to mention your settings here. Let’s just keep your comment as it is 😉
We now have 31 votes, so maybe it’s time to unveil which piano is which ? What do you think ?
Yes please
I think it's time... I would recommend you also edit the title to announce the results.
SPOILER ALERT
After 4 days and 31 votes, here are the results of the iOS Piano apps Competition and the name of the best sounding piano app announced :
Congratulations to Pure Piano and e-instruments lab who releases here their very first iOS app !
The average score I think gives a less clear picture than comparing the number of 3 star ratings the pianos go. Pretty convincing -- which is a drag
another app I guess I'll need
imma hold off to see how PianoTeq stands up if/when it comes. I can afford the storage on my iPad but the phone can't even handle what I have. I just had to offload another round of apps to even install the latest round of app updates. I have high hopes that PianoTeq will be good enough that it can be the only piano app I keep on-hand.
Congratulations to Pure Piano, that is a great first entry for an app!
It's a great "E-instruments" app and I'm hoping the word gets out and it's a commercial success. They are very late to the party. The main reason to care is their library of additional apps that could also be ported:
https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/z5/345qp990kj70.png
As a band player I’m so accustomed to cutting my mids that I never considered a mid boost to RC275. But I’ve got to agree that it improves its tone considerably. Thanks 😀
Thank you Paulo, this whole experiment got me to tweaking more with the eqs in Ravenscroft and Am D, and I was surprised to find how decent Am D can sound with a bit of tweaking. Frankly, they all sound good in their own ways for different purposes. There's still something ethereal about the Ravenscroft tone that really does it for me, but if you want very defined lower registers, AM D or PP are better choices. Raven would remain my ambient go-to for just nice big reverbed slow piano, but I would choose Pure Piano for all the creative possibilities of reverse etc. Module will likely continue to sit on the backburner for me
I really didn't want to go out and get another software piano. This will get me thinking about it. The point made in the video about sustain pedals was a good one. My favourite part of a piano is the mix of sustain and dampening through the use of the pedals. I know it would make the software huge, but maybe down the line this could happen a bit more in software.
I think I might stick it out with the Ravenscroft a little longer, it wasn't that far behind in my listening test and with a bit of tweaking....one day I'll have a real wood and metal one back in my room.
Thanks for the comparisons it has been really educational.
The problem is size. Even the smaller desktop VSTs that have resonance samples, una corda and all the other features to make it more realistic are several GB in size.
Take the Ravenscroft for example the desktop version has everything the heart might desire for realism (even the sustenato pedal, aka the middle one) but it's 6GB in size and that is still a relatively small library nowadays.
The newest entry ins VSLs repertoire, the Bösendorfer 280VC requires a massive 180GB in the full version, that limits the viable iPad options quite significant. (445€ also is no joke price wise, lol)
Our best chance is modelling I think, because Pianoteq has a much smaller footprint and especiall the new M1 Pros should have more then enough power to run several instances.
Let's take bets... which arrives first:
Pianoteq from Modart
Loopy Pro from @Michael
My money's on @Michael to ship for the Holidays. Maybe a Black Friday ship date.
Loopy Pro for sure.