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Pure Piano vs. other piano libraries on iOS video (Pure Piano, Ravenscroft, American D)
Yes, yes, I know another thread for this. But this video took me a lot more time then ususal to make, so I hope you will excuse me for a little bit of blatant self promotion.
In the video I take a look at Pure Piano and it's features and make a short comparison to the other libraries. I tried to keep it short because there are alread a lot of comparison links out there, but it still came out with 15min. I hope this will give you some ideas for what you could use this fantastic app.
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Thanks for the video !
You did well to post it in a new thread. Well deserved 😉
I think your not giving Ivory's American D enough attention. It's got a lot of the smooth mids that make Pure sound so good. For me it's #2 behind Pure and ahead of Ravenscroft.
And Ravenscroft is amazing so that speaks volumes for Korg's 3rd party option with Ivory.
The first Ivory Grand was pretty lack luster but this one is smooth and has a lot of excellent presets for dark, ambient, bright, etc.
They call all get the AUM treatment with Blackhole and such.
The Percussive setting for Pure is pretty unique... it puts it into the heavily "felted" piano category and any setting near that lower right corner is like a treated piano. You can really dial in a very intimate super gentle hammer sound that has a nice, soft "thump".
The results of the "Piano World Cup" will be helpful for more people to see which piano has the best overall tone for solo piano and which is the runner up.
But they are all worth owning if piano is your thing. I see you have PianoTeq too. It will be exciting to see how it's tone compares to Pure... I'm hoping they offer a nice range of instruments to purchase.
That's fair, after all they are pretty close. I think it comes down to preference, but I wanted to focus on Pure Piano the most and just have the others there for comparisons sake. I'm also looking forward to the results of the blind test, will be interesting to see.
We now have more than 30 votes, so maybe we could unveil which piano is which ?
Do you think the Pure Piano percussive setting can emulate Hania’s technique here (first piece in this video).
Hania Rani is a very impressive player.
She is mixing damped notes with freely resonating notes at the same time by manually
muted the damped note with her hand. This app mutes all notes at once... to get this effect you would have to have 2 instances loaded and maybe send all MIDI events for one note to the percussive instance and all other notes to a middle dot in the Pure Piano instance.
The MIDI routing could be managed by a simple Mozaic script that routes 2 or more targets by MIDI channel.
If there's interest, I'll do an experiment and post an example and the Mozaic script. It would be a few lines of code to detect a MIDI note and swap the MIDI channel on it's output.
Then activation/routing of the right MIDI channels in the DAW would be needed for the 2 Pure Piano instances.
I say American D has the best presets of the three. A large variety of sounds on a very warm piano.
@Moderndaycompiler, thanks for the Hania. I like her stuff.
Mike - does Piano #1 come in 3rd or 2nd in your ranking of these sample recordings? I’m surprised at it’s tone and wonder if the boosted mid’s make it sound too bright. But the Pure EQ is at the max for mids and highs and it sounds warm. I think of the Korg as darker than the Ravenscroft. What do you hear?
@Moderndaycompiler, Hanna also brought Kazzrie Jaxsen to mind. IMO, a totally original voice and genius level player.., Also, Charley Krachy and Don Messina, not too shabby either.
@McD, I agree, Module D is a bit darker than Ravenscroft. From @Paulo164’s thread I found both Ravenscroft and Module too bright compared to Pure Piano. I’m happy with all of them but will continue to use Pure Piano for straight piano for the foreseeable future... that is until maybe Pianoteq unseats it.
That’s a great video @FloRi89, very well produced. Unfortunately, I did not get enough of a sample to really judge among them. Frankly, they all sounded fine.
I hope PianoTeq is top dog to save the storage space. I need a 1TD iPad Pro to load my purchased apps I think.
I have not been super impressed by the demos that I have heard.
Did you listen to Phil Best’s demos on his YT channel ?
At the time of PianoTeq v6, he made a comparison of different piano models and they mostly sounded gorgeous to me. Also I think we need to try PianoTeq for ourselves because just listening may not be enough.
Listening to a recording is one thing... sitting down with a good controller and seeing how real the illusion is is the only test I care about.
There higher version of PianoTeq let's you design the physical parameters of the instrument
and you can make a piano that's a whole new instrument beyond the physical design of a
traditional piano... that could be fun to have that level but it's very expensive. They may just give us the "Stage" version with a fixed design.
It's also more that acoustic pianos... it's also Rhodes and Whirly options... like we need more of those. But, I thought Ravenscroft finished the quest for the perfect piano but there are
qualities we didn't even know we wanted in the Pure Piano product.
I hope PianoTeq is a similar experience... like the IK Multimedia B-3X was for a good IOS organ emulator. Expensive but so beautifully crafted that it's just a joy to use and edit.
I’ve been using Pianoteq since V2 (now V7) and have been very excited about its progress. It came a long way and now reached a level of realism that can compete with good quality sampled grand pianos imo. One downside though is the lack of versatility. Since the beginning they kept focusing 99% on getting the perfect sound of a clean grand piano. It feels like their product is mostly targeted at classical pianists.
Sone folks (me included) have been waiting for that warm felted and imperfect upright sound or other pianos that would add unique flavours to the palette but all they kept releasing was another clean grand after another clean grand.
But if that is what you’re into then it will be a great piano.
Did you watch this video by Simeon? That goes into the direction you want, right?
@jacou, I agree with PianoTeq as being a bit "piano elitist" oriented. This results from the everlasting quest of passionate people always looking for the very best virtual piano. How to blame them for that (I don't pretend you do)
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Maybe with the new "morphing" feature, we will be able to step into new sonic territories... ?
Thanks for the video, really informative. And in two years your progress is remarkable!
I really like Simeon and enjoy his videos too
You definitely can tweak Pianoteq quite a bit. But even if you get a felt piano like sound in Pianoteq I don't find it very convincing. The free Spitfire Audio Soft Piano (sampled) is quite a bit better in that field.
I'd love Modartt to put more effort into a more realistic sounding felt engine. Also a better imperfection control that would add that organic feel that Pianoteq is still missing. It would also help covering up where PT still sounds a bit synthetic. But oh well
Still Pianoteq as it is is a decent piece of software!!
Hopefully this is not a derailer, but how do you all compare these great piano apps to the best of piano soundfonts that are available for bs-i16 or other soundfont apps?
I’m wondering how Pure Piano compares to the pianos in Numa Player. It’s very hard to compete with free. What’s the biggest selling point for Pure right now?
Also, does PP have a stage (audience) microphone position? Actually, does ANY piano on iOS have that?
@NoiseHorse @Strigoi…. Just my opinion… PurePiano is now my favorite iOS piano (none have mic positions, I believe). It has unseated Ravenscroft simply by being the piano I go to first. It has a warmer, less metallic sound than Ravenscroft. I knew that all along, but I favored Ravenscroft for its brightness. Perhaps it’s because i’m focusing on jazz these days.
NUMA is very good in certain respects. Particularly, I think, in the articulation of bass chords where one can hear the individual notes a bit better. It is airier generally and very usable, but after a couple of tracks with it I was glad to get back to PurePiano. I can’t really comment on the soundfonts. @Reuben is our resident expert. Maybe he’ll chime in.
For my tastes, Pure Piano sounds better and has some nice internal FX options that are quickly dialed in.
The Numa samples are a bit fizzy for me tastes. I like a really transparent piano sample like
Pure, Ravenscroft or Salamander.
Once you start considering mic placement your opening the door to sample that have "room" ambience and I prefer a dry sample that I can modify with Impulse Response files.
But I already mentioned that the FX options in Pure make getting something dialed in really fast. An most of the FX in pure are reverb/EQ models that go from intimate (dry at the piano bench feeling) to Cinematic (in a massive recording studio with a lot of reverb added to that). Pure even throws in a reverse mode to create decidedly un-piano sounding pads.
But the mistake of thinking of Numa as just one piano will lead many to think... I don't need it. It has a menu of keyboard types from Acoustic to EP's to Clavs and some strings/pads thrown in to boot.
As a free app, it's one of those deals that are intended to get you to notice that "They make MIDI controllers" and nothing makes a Piano App feel more real than a good MIDI controller for $1049 and they throw in some free sounds to get you going.
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I'm certainly not the expert but happy to chime in. I think the two clear winners are Pure Piano and the big Colossus with Pure being the most versatile and a little more modern in sound and the Colossus being the most detailed. However I do tire of Pure Piano at times because its just a bit too perfect and I crave the soul of something that rattles and misbehaves a little bit like the Model D 1983 or the Upright in Numa Player.
If I were to stick to a 100% free solution, I think Numa player now comes first to my mind. The Steinway and Upright are lovely.
Still, Pure Piano has perfectly recorded samples, maybe a longer sustain and more velocity layers.
To me, there's no single piano that fits every song. Like @LinearLineman said, I'll keep Ravenscroft for the brighter and Pure Piano for the softer tones. And now that I've digged into the beautiful SA Labs community pianos, I'll be using these more on iOS soon - I can never have enough choice of different sounds under my hands. And I want misbehaving pianos too @Reuben
To achieve it with the same expressivity, you'll need a dedicated set of samples.
And Hania makes use of a looper a lot. Maybe she's a secret Loopy Pro beta tester @Michael?
Oh, are they releasing LABS for iOS? Or are you referring to autosampling them for use with AudioLayer or similar?
Yep, gotta sample them myself.
To anyone unfamiliar with RC275 who keep reading it being described as ‘bright’ - it has a very simple but effective 4-band EQ built in.