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The curation part is also completely irrelevant. There would be nothing stopping Apple from curating an appstore, they can still allow external apps to be installed and not choose to endorse or list them in their appstore, fine. They can still profit from appstore apps but allow owners to install externally bought software
But a company selling you a computer and controlling what you can and cannot install on it is definitely dubious legally and also ethically. This is all about money and control and not for the benefit of the user (which would benefit from competition from apps outside the store.)
Also, professional apps could be more likely as they'd get more profit. This could also allow crossgrade options. If Apple really want an app in the store then they can negotiate fees with a developer so it can be great for both parties too.
I’d agree, this gives the consumers, the developers and even Apple choice.
I’m saying they shouldn’t be attempting to curate an App Store period. It’s an idea that will crumble and become an Internal waste of resources and focus. The proper response is to cancel it.
As it is watchOS App Store does not practically exist, macOS App Store is tumbleweeds. There will not be an AR Headset AppStore to speak of .
This is a mobile phone phenomenon that is about to peak..”skate to where the puck will be” and cancel it.
I think Appstores are useful for convenience for developers and users so they won't go away, Apple just needs to be more flexible with allowing external sources/stores
In my ‘pro’ work world, I’m hoping that they open it up, Adobe seem to be slowly making a path for themselves, but I’d love to see the GPL barrier broken so that parts of blender 3d can be ported, the grease pencil 3d animation tool is made to be the best mate of Apple Pencil for one... fingers crossed for a more sensible future 🤞
“AppStores” may not go away, but the Apple one surely will.
They will likely roll their services revenue into Apple One tiers…and abandon attempted benevolence to developers
I’ll bet you $1,000 you’re wrong on this assertion the Apple App Store goes away.
Let’s go with $999.99
Lets convert it to Canadian store prices. $2999.99
It could be argued that they're not selling you a computer. They're selling you a device with and ecosystem for apps. iOS devices aren't marketed as computers. They're marketed as what they are. No one has to buy that hardware/ecosystem combination.
The reverse scenario would be anti-competitive. If you bought an open system and then they introduced features to monopolize it. But that isn't the case with he App Store - at least not in this sense.
But, I agree with you, the Apple App Store is reaching the end of justification for its exclusivity. The more it suppresses developers' motivation to create apps, the more it limits the platform and therefore hardware sales. I can imagine Apple deciding it has outlived its usefulness some day. Maybe. Could be a long time though.
Having said all that, despite many things I hate about it, the App Store has a lot of brand loyalty for me. I trust it. I trust apps that I get from it not to harm my device. Despite what most seem to feel, I feel the 15% Apple cut (30% is only for yearly sales over $1Million US now), is quite justified. I'm happy to pay that premium. It's the most stable, reliable, hassle-free, software distribution system I've ever dealt with.
Were competition to come in, I believe I'd stick with the App Store for most app purchases unless I needed something only offered elsewhere. Would I like to see competition to come in? Absolutely! Competition forces improvements. That isn't really there now. I say bring it. But there's a high bar for the competition to cross to get my trust and business.
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Yeah I agree that iPads were originally designed as devices for consuming from the app store and not professional devices. But with ipad pro and M1 ipads costing north of 2K they are very much heading to aim at that market, so they are reaching the end of that road and need to choose the next step.
I also like app store for many reasons and wouldn't give up using it if the ecosystem was relaxed and neither would most developers probably, it would just give a more interesting range of options for specialist users and developers.
Facebook did the right thing with Oculus store, they allowed Sidequest and external apps and now that is a hub for budding developers and experimental apps and they get the chance of going into the official store if they are right for it.
I agree with this from a consumer viewpoint too. I feel significantly more trust in the App Store than I do for anything I might install on a Windows machine, where there is zero mechanism to vet the quality and/or malice of those who coded the software.
Even on Android there is not much in the way of review, and with sideloading from non-Google stores being possible there have been instances of malicious code running with ease, even to the point of bricking devices.
My personal preference would be for the App Store to stay.
You could always buy a Mac and just stick with it’s AppStore.
Mixed decision delivered today.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-trial-ends-in-mixed-verdict-after-fortnite-makers-monopoly-allegations-11631289792
Apple got dinged on state unfair competition but skated on the antitrust part. I have to call that a win for Apple—unfortunately. At least developers will be able to keep a little more if what they earned.
I think that is an entirely fair verdict.
Apple has always had the proprietary model. I hate it and refuse to use it for computers. I absolutely love it for my phone. Why? I don’t keep sensitive shit on my computer. But my phone has everything. ApplePay, car insurance, all of my bills and credit cards, bank accounts…all of it is readily accessible. Before long, my car keys will be on there too. And the only reason I’m comfortable with that is because of the level of control that Apple has over their product. I trust that they have shit locked down.
But also forcing devs to only accept payments through Apple’s system is a bit screwy. After all, if their argument is that they should be allowed to do what they want with their product, devs should be allowed the same courtesy. Of course, if a dev is pulling something shady, Apple can just pull the app entirely.
Epic Games’ CEO, the guy who initiated this courtroom harassment of Apple really screwed the pooch. And now Apple will not allow Fortnite (the Epic game that used to make that company hundreds of millions of dollars every month) back on the App Store. I certainly don’t blame Apple for keeping them kicked out.
But if I was an Epic Games investor, I’d want that CEO gone.
Source from 2018: https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/17390004/fortnite-battle-royale-money-made-revenue-300-million-april-2018
It definitely seemed like he was trying to call their bluff, but his company is peanuts compared to all of Apple’s revenue streams, so they were never going to make major strategic decisions to accommodate him.
‘Mixed’?
That’s pretty disingenuous.
The only thing apple were found guilty of was the steering thing. There’s an injunction on that clause in Apple’s terms. But that just means they’re not allowed to stop, say Netflix, from actually letting people know how to sign up outside of the app with a link. Apple prohibited this. Which has always been a Shitty move. They’d already had to concede this point after lawsuits in other countries anyway.
Apple won on all other counts and epic even have to pay them the equivalent of 30% commission whilst they had their own payment system in place within fortnite.
rather than ‘mixed’ thats a pretty big win for Apple.
Epic won’t be allowed back on the store, Apple won’t have to allow alternative payment options, and Apple aren’t a ‘monopoly’ according to the judge.
Apple and epic have to pay their own legal bills.
Here’s the judgement summary:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17442392/814/epic-games-inc-v-apple-inc/
I can’t see how it could have gone much worse for Epic.
I don't agree about the so-called "steering" thing. Is Wal-Mart required to let their customers know that Target might have the same item at a lower price? Of course not. I find this part of the judgment troubling since developers/vendors get the huge benefit of Apple's global reach and pay mechanisms for more than reasonable fees and participation in their App Store market is 100% voluntary. It's troubling because it infringes on Apple's private property rights. Apple is not a charity, nor are they a monopoly. Google/Alphabet sells far, far more Android devices than Apple does, even though Apple makes the lion's share of the profits. None of that is monopolistic, nor is it abusive with regard to their market leader position (again, leader in profits, not in volume of devices sold).
Also, it would be Apple's option to appeal this to the Supreme Court and I think they should to get that "unfair competition" nonsense stricken.
Yeah I agree. Apple won this one big time.
Apple is running what economists call a downstream monopoly. The judge did not seem to understand this. Epic’s lawyers failed to get that argument across.
Honestly, I see no reason for anti-monopoly laws in the US to continue to exist or be enforced. The only "successful" monopolies which have ever existed are those which are protected by government. In a true free market scenario, monopolies are impossible to maintain because high profits in any sector are a signal to businesses to jump in and compete.
Additionally, who wants to talk about the corrupt business practices of other countries? Their practices make the US look like an amateur. The Chinese government owns a piece of every business in China and they have few enforceable individual private property laws. If their government wants something, they just take it. And in Korea, the chaebols are state supported and all-powerful entities which are connected to government.
Corporatism and crony capitalism are rampant everywhere, but in the US at least the corrupt occasionally get voted out of office. And the anti-monopoly regulations in the US just have the effect of making US businesses less competitive.
Anti-monopoly laws should be abolished and competition in all areas of the economy should be drastically increased by the elimination of regulations which do not cause direct environmental harm or physically harm people.
I'm not sure if that's true -
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/10/apple-what-is-fortnite-feud-about-and-what-does-app-store-ruling-mean?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
In one sense this is a loss for apple. The judge clearly said that Apple cannot block apps from sending users to outside websites where they can process their own payment. So now newspapers, spotify, netfix, etc. can have a free app on the app store and make people buy a subscription that allows their app to access content. Previously apple was collecting 30%. This is a clear loss.
But the judge’s failure to recognize the downstream monopoly will probably lead to further litigation, given that this filing seems to contradict the ruling in the Keurig case.
Not 100_% sure about that. Every example you’ve used, Netflix, Spotify etc are already classed as reading apps and don’t offer IAPs in app.
Netflix stopped allowing people to subscribe through Apple ages ago. Spotify require you to subscribe on their website too.
Amazon have never allowed you to buy books in the ios kindle app Nothing has changed other than now they will be allowed to actually link to their sign up pages.
Apple have allowed so called reader apps to charge outside of the App for a long time.
I’m not sure that Apple will have to start allowing apps that charge iaps to offer alternative payment options. I read it as not, as Epic have to pay Apple 30% of all the revenue they received after they switched on their alternative payment system for IAPs prior to being thrown off the AppStore. But even if i haven’t misunderstood, it might open doors for future cases?
Apple won all the other rulings. That’s 9 out of 10 and the one they lost was a minor issue in the grand scheme of things.
So yeah. Couldn’t really have gone worse for epic. The one issue they won doesn’t even affect them. Especially as Apple almost certainly won’t let them back on the AppStore anyway.
Don't underestimate the friction for customers involved to buy directly from these other companies. Convenience matters. And unless there is a drastic savings from a seller, personally I'd rather continue to make all purchases through the App Store.
Also, keep in mind that Apple does not have to offer their development software for a low fee. Especially for large companies. They might choose to drastically increase the cost of licensing their software for companies making more than $1 million in sales, or they might choose to kick out companies which place undue burdens on their App Store or employees. I see no improvements for the customer coming out of this trial or the judgment. The trial was Epic and Tim Sweeny trying to get something for nothing. Epic is run by a deadbeat who got too big for his britches.
The most telling sentence in the Guardian story is the last paragraph.
"The judge could not conclude that Apple was a monopolist under “under either federal or state antitrust laws”, which would have put the tech giant in deep legal trouble. The ruling also refused to allow alternative app stores on the Apple platform. Indeed, Apple won on nine out of 10 counts – it described the ruling as a “resounding victory” – but its tight control of the App Store has been loosened."
No alternative app stores. LOL. And I wouldn't want an alternative app store anyway. If I wanted the wild west, I'd buy an Android device.