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App Suggestions Please!
Hi all,
I was wondering if the experts here on the AudioBus forum could help me out with getting some apps. I'm very much a desktop producer at the moment and want to get my 6th gen iPad kitted out with some apps which work in a similar way to my workflow on Mac. I develop AUv3s so I am already equipped with all the various hosts, I'm just looking for a couple of AUv3s that will help me to do what I need to achieve. I will be using Cubasis 3 as that is what will suit my workflow the best. Here is a list of things that I feel I need:
- some kind of drum sampler that is similar to Impact in Studio One. This allows each individual sample to have separate filter settings, drive settings, adsr settings, separate outputs and separate tuning settings. Hopefully something close to this exists. It doesn't need to have a library of its own sounds as I will use my own.
- a good sampler for melodic stuff.
- a nice synthesiser. I am used to using serum on the desktop if that is any help.
- are there any good pianos that are smaller in file size than the ravenscroft? On a 32gb iPad with multiple hosts installed due to developing, file size is at a premium!
- Any other suggestions of your favourite apps would be appreciated!
I want to document my journey on getting to know iOS music making on Youtube. This will be from a very heavily desktop focused point of view. My desktop can just do too much so it has become a bit difficult to do anything "creative". I made a New Years resolution that I would release some of my own music this year but the only things that have been release are stuff that I have mixed and/or mastered for other people. Not sure the iPad is ready for my mixing/mastering jobs yet but we shall see!
Thank you!
Comments
Pure Synth Platinum is a rompler that can play from disk.
1) I don’t think there’s anything that robust, but I haven’t checked out Beatmaker 3 as mentioned earlier. I recommend the IAA app Patterning 2…it’s not AU but it’s rock solid as far as I know clock and sync wise. You can multi-out its 8 instruments as separate tracks and apply other FX reverbs/delays/etc that you need to. It has the best file management if you have a lot of samples, which is a huge accomplishment for iOS.
2) I have no expertise.
3) The Moog Minimoog and Model 15 are hands down the best-sounding synths on the store. They can even crank up the polyphony to 4.
4) Pure Piano. I even prefer it over the Ravenscroft. Intro sale for I dunno how much longer. Just 1 GB ish. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pure-piano/id1336486618
5) Animoog is still the crowning iOS synth achievement for it’s utilization of the touch screen, even 10 years later. And it still sounds good.
Honorable mention to Zeeon for a great versatile all-around synth, to name something that isn’t Moog. Fabfilters for name brand + quality, Toneboosters for much cheaper but mostly rival the Fabs.
Not sure there is an AUv3 that covers all of your drum sampler wants. If you want to stick to AU, you might check out these:
If you're open to IAA/AudioBus (which Cubasis plays with quite well) Patterning should have you covered.
My two just-putting-this-out-there cents: If you're feeling this way, maybe trying to recreate your desktop workflow isn't the best path? Perhaps consider limiting yourself to one of the "all in one" apps like NanoStudio, Gadget or BeatMaker?
What kind of music are you aiming to make?
2 - if you want to chop up a sample (similar to Serato Sample on desktop), gotta go with Segments by Elliott Garage. Only game in town in my book for this type of sampling.
CHOMPLR is fun sampler and cool if you want to use only in app purchased audio by MSXII sound design (hip hop soul) but you can’t import your own samples on this app, so it’s a lot of fun but not for super serious use unless you happen to only like their sample offerings I guess...
SAMPLR is amazing but not a traditional sampler. But i highly recommend checking this out (so will everyone else). Check out you tube vids.
Koala sampler is amazing and if I remember right, way underpriced (like $4.99 or something crazy like that). Just get it.
1: there are a ton of drum machines on iOS. For what you’re after I would go with Elastic Drums. Very capable, very user friendly and has a built in synth (but you can import your own samples easily and it allows for all kinds of individual settings and automation).
Have fun, check back. Shopping on iOS after desktop makes you feel like a very rich man indeed! Buy them all!!! Lol
Very good perspective!
You might consider going with soundfonts + one of sound font AUs. There are some nice compact one's here: https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/ Scroll down to "Piano Only Sets" for the compact sets. Jillions more available via your favorite search engine.
Maybe more ideas in this thread?: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38764/app-auv3-with-the-best-piano-sounds
+1 to all of this. For "virtual analog" synths anyway, the two Moog apps and Zeeon are really hard to beat. I guess Sunrizer (same developer as Zeeon) and Apesoft's MOOD would be a contenders. Mood sounds quite good but I'm regularly flummoxed by the AU's UI for some reason. I get myself over the confusion for one main reason: you can add an LFO to any and every synth parameter. Infinite nerdery.
For non virtual analog? Man. Sooo many options. Too many options? Probably hard to beat NanoStudio's Obsidian as far as "all rounders" go but that's not available as an AUv3.
Ditto ditto on mood. I LOVE it, but I can’t recommend it because I loved its simple 2-page standalone/IAA as it wasn’t released as AU at first. So simple it was the first synth I’ve ever felt mastery over. But they never could nail the AU UI down and it’s plain no fun using it unless you’re simply opening up already-made
presets. For a classic synth that screams turn my knobs while playing and recording, the pagination kills the flow and the fun.
And that’s the only complaint I’ll probably ever have about apeSoft. The added FM operator was a really awesome twist, too.
On a tangent, I’ve never been satisfied with any iOS FM synth. I solved the problem by getting a Korg opsix, but was let down for years. Tangent 2 I need to go see what I can do with Nave now that I know a few things.
Get Drambo.
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4 Electric by Apesoft sounds pretty good, and under 200mb I think.
And it goes to 11!
Had a little play with bm3 last night after you suggested and I managed to achieve a few things that I was struggling to do in cubasis. Simple stuff like reversing sections of audio was just bugging out in cubasis but seemed relatively straightforward in bm3.
By melodic stuff I mean a sampler that is good at pitched stuff. I like to find weird and whacky small indie dev kontakt instruments on desktop so I guess audio layer is the solution.
SynthMaster one looks incredible, thank you!
I’ll take a look at your other suggestions, thanks!
Can you turn off the effects in pure piano? I was looking at it but it seems aimed at people who want a finished sound rather than one to work with. I also think with the amount of reverb I’ve seen in demos makes it unusable in a full mix.
Cheers I’ll check these out!
By doing too much I mean all of the time stretching and pitch correction stuff that is built into most daws. When it’s my own music I get bogged down trying to make stuff sound too “perfect”. If I don’t have the option of that then I won’t waste the time on it!
Genre wise is a bit mixed. For me it’s a combination of rock (royal blood type stuff), reggae and ska. For my job pre COVID (and hopefully soon when stuff opens up again) I tend to travel London and the south east of England making uk rap stuff.
Segments sounds really cool, thanks!
I have no experience with sound fonts, I assume they’re of good quality?
Loads of desktop synths I have can have all that lfo mapping stuff, gets a bit too much for me sometimes if I don’t know the synth really well. I’ll check it out though to see what it’s like!
I’ve wanted some hardware synths for a while. Maybe it is time to bite the bullet!
I can’t seem to get on with Drambo, I’ve tried a few times but it’s just too much of a change of workflow. It’s a little like reason for me, extremely cool as an instrument now they have a plug-in version, not as cool as a daw. Maybe I’m missing something though!
I’ll check it out!
@audionerd can 2tally turn off the effects no prob
Watch a few Drambo and Koala videos like:
Maybe something will resonate with you.
Agreed with everything mentioned on the list. Number 5 is a ton of apps I haven't had as much experience with, but they seem to be used by many.
I'll add Drambo, AUM, Audiobus (especially if you use IAA apps), and Mixbus as favorite apps because they allow you to create custom setup tailored to your needs.
BM3 is an insane sampling machine that will work well for your needs, although I use Koala Sampler because I need the iOS to iPad transfer potential.
My main recommendation is to think of iOS production and performance as two separate things. Use "production" to prepare your sounds, and if you can render them to audio, do so. This is where you save a session that you can always come back to.
Performance is when you take your production, and add a lot of differences on the fly. For some, it's AUM looping, Samplr edits, Geoshred, Koala Drum pads, Launchpad looping, guitar playing, saxophone, keys, etc.
The iPad can run a lot of apps...but it can only run so much before you feel the effects of "optimizing performance" or app crashes.