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Will Osmose Be iOS compatible?
This is the answer I got back after asking if the Osmose’s synth sounds could be input as midi. It looks like one would have to record the Osmose synth as audio and import a parallel midi track. However, I think there might be a problem for non mpe plugins to accurately read and playback the midi info... Here’s what ExpressiveE said about it...
“Generally, Osmose will be recognized as a USB MIDI class-compliant device by an iPad, as long as the cabling is done right. Depending on the model, you will need a "Camera Connection Kit", otherwise there would be no USB connection you could hook it up to.
In order to take advantage of the additional control that the Augmented Keyboard Action of Osmose offers, the application you plan to use it with needs to support the MPE specification. I am not sure what you mean by "importing" the sounds as MIDI, because MIDI is only containing note information, not actual sound. If you are referring to recording the note messages of a performance on the instrument as MIDI notes and then playing it back to Osmose, then yes, this should be possible with any DAW on the iPad, because MPE is using standard MIDI messages.
However, when you want to edit the recorded MPE data, then the DAW you use should support MPE specifically, otherwise, the editing will be possible, but a bit complicated because the DAW might display the notes distributed across different tracks instead of displaying them as one performance.”
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What you want is for Cubasis to record external MPE.
I believe the Atom 2 AUv3 app now records MPE MIDI and there might be others for the record people could throw into this thread.
Seems the answer is “yes”.
Yes Mike, you can just record your mpe midi directly into Atom 2, there shouldn't be any problem.
What u might want to look into is whether you mind not having Bluetooth midi with this (it isn't Bluetooth, is it?) amd more importantly, whether you will be annoyed by the lack of a dedicated iOS app for making or tweaking synth patches etc etc
Plus: Recording MPE is only one part, the AUv3 has to support it to make any use of the advanced features so it's a fairly reduced list of instruments for now.
@Gavinski, I’m cool with no Bluetooth. I’ll look at Atom2 @McD, thanks.
@rs2000, yes,I get that... and that’s fine. What I’m concerned about is whether a non mpe will play back an mpe encoded midi track.
It should be possible to write a Streambyter or Mozaic script that either blocks the MPE information or merges it into one channel or lets you split each channel into separate instruments like, say, 5 synths all with the same preset loaded to play a 5-note chord.
If you can clearly describe what you need, there are a few Streambyter and Mozaic experts here on the forum, there's even a "Mozaic patch request" thread:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/35167/request-new-mozaic-scripts-here#latest
We need to see if Atom 2 is trivial inside Cubasis 3 to record from external. I thought Cubasis could do MPE now. Mike’s not very technical but he’s connected several midi keyboards via the CKA but the multi-channel nature of MPE is new. He rarely uses any MPE controllers so he doesn’t tend to grab MPE synths. GeoShred SWAM made him understand the channel 2 issue with it’s warnings when hit on channel 1.
I guess I need to google Omose and hear what magical delights it offers to lure the @linearlineman with hardware that’s not a great weighted key bed.
He’s ready for a new set of challenges and has some spare Change I think.
@LinearLineman More specifically, @wim has spent some quality time building some Mozaic magic, start reading here:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/35167/request-new-mozaic-scripts-here/p13
@LinearLineman - you have nothing to be concerned about. The Osmose has a piano mode that outputs just notes and velocity. So it's perfectly able to play non MPE Synths. You would just switch it to MPE or piano mode as the target dictates.
If you did record an MPE part and wanted to use it with a non-MPE synth, I do have a Mozaic script that may make it work. MPE Multiplexer can either filter out MPE expression, or attempt to map it to other synth parameters. It worked in my tests, but I can't say I've used it much or gotten much feedback from anyone who has.
At any rate, the issue is moot as you will have the ability to switch off MPE in the keyboard itself. Here's where I picked up that information: https://www.expressivee.com/2-osmose#your existing synths just got better
Thanks @McD and @rs2000. Very helpful.
@wim, thanks . Switching to piano mode doesn’t get to where I want to go. Osmose has great sounds. I want to incorporate those. Recording audio using an interface loop will do that. My workflow needs a parallel midi track that I can plug non mpe AUs into. So I need to process that mpe info so it can be correctly read. So, Atom2 or a Mozaic or Streambyter script, I guess.
It seems like it will be months before Osmose is available to the general public, but I see it’s not hard to see the potential. Meanwhile I think it’ll get a Touché.
@LinearLineman gets Mozaic? I’ll believe when I see it. He’s very thrifty.
Those damn swam packs turning out a lot more expensive even than you initially thought, now they're making you want to buy into mpe, eh? 😋
I’ll bet he watched the osmose video and saw those thick piano keys And the Seaboard-like expression. But it doesn’t do those huge glides... just pitch bends and vibrato with after touch added. Just having a real raised key keybed is huge for someone that plays with his eyes closed in a fugue state of ecstasy.
He’s always looking for a better piano.
You understand that MPE expression will be of no use in a non-MPE synth, I assume. It will either need to be stripped out, or forced into expression that acts on all notes at once rather than each note. My MPE Multiplexer Mozaic script will attempt to do that. ymmv.
If you want to see how it might work out without forking out $1,800 you can fire up an MPE enabled app such as KB-1, and play it through that script to see how successful it would be. There are options to individually strip out MPE pitch-bend, expression, etc, and/or to try to force the expression data into global pitch bend and individual CCs.
To my knowledge that Mozaic script is the only thing around that would do any of that.
Uh huh. Dude's thinking of picking up a $1,800 synth. I kinda think $8 might be within reach.
Pianos are easy for him to justify. Explaining what a Mozaic does... too expensive.
Sharing Mozaic demo’s don’t make it clear. I tried to get him to go with streambyter once to reverse the polarity of a sustain pedal and he passed on the help and made 15 tracks with a sustain pedal at all. I couldn’t hear anything amiss and he played a lot of slow chordal stuff that would make me cry fir a pedal but he just found a way with his hands until he got home from vacation. This was in his Turkish phase when titles were various bodies of water.
It’s $8 he’d rather spend on a great new FX app or a cool new synth.
I’ll bet he reads one bad review and passes on the osmose because it doesn’t feel like his Steinway did or have adjustable resistance settings like his Kawaii did.
If he gets it he’ll probably return it because it just feels fake. “But it’s MPE”.
I dunno, for such an old codger, I've found him amazingly well able to figure out complex setups given the right pointers. 👍🏼
You shoulda seen how he mastered complex desktop DAW / VST / iOS / Audio and Midi routing. Made me wish I could have him do a brain swap with my poor old father-in-law who I have to re-show how to use the microwave every time I visit.
Well, @McD @rs2000 and @Wim, I’d buy Mozaic in a heartbeat if there was an Osmose preset. I realize a non AU Sybth will not be able to play mpe expressiveness. I just want it to be able to play a straight instrument. Let’s say a plain old piano. Will the mpe induced midi convert to a recognizable piano rendition or will it be wonky... or split up into several channels, as suggested.
Thanks @wim, for thinking I am more technological than what one might expect. But that small success didn’t lure me to desktop. I haven’t messed with it since... too much learning involved... and that damn trackpad (I never got a mouse, which would probably help 🤔🥱😴).
There is: MPE Multiplexer, linked above. You just need to load it select the options you want, and go. I'll do a custom Cosmic Osmose1 branded version of it if it makes you feel better.
It should come out fine. All mushed into single channel MIDI. I've successfully tested it with my Sensel Morph and with KB-1 in MPE mode. But not extensively. As I said - ymmv.
And have subsequently saved yourself hundreds of hours of frustration by walking away from Windows. But you would have always wondered had you not tried.
Only old-time Mac people will get that reference ↩︎
@wim, you have a good memory, but since then @kinkujin gifted me a wonderful 2013 MBP with 16 gb RAM. I hope to return to it with my alleged acquiring of an Osmose. We shall see.
Probably 80% less frustrating than Windows, but might still be more trouble than it's worth for your uses. Indeed, we shall see.
I still think you should try seaboard but not the default settings, you should set it up using the dashboard app to eked less pressure. That has a raised keybed so when u get used to it, you could play with eyes closed
@Gavinski, I have played the Seaboard and it didn’t really feel good to me. Cost wise a 49 key Seaboard Rise is $1200... so, pretty costly for what one gets compared to Osmose for $600 more. But I will try Touché.
Yeah, but you could get 2 seaboard blocks, especially 2nd hand, a lot cheaper. My claim is that your not liking the feel might be at least partly because of the default setting not suiting you. If you get a chance, play with one again but ask the people in the store to help yoiu set it up so it will respond faster to easy velocity and pressure.
Don‘t forget that the Osmose is also a stand alone instrument with one of the most powerful synth engines, the Eagan Matrix!
He could but he did say in his OP that he wants to record Osmose's internal audio and MPE data in parallel.
This implies he has some interest in the Osmose's internal synth engines (Eagan Matrix), which is not applicable to Seaboard Blocks.
He wanted to do this with his Kawai Digital Piano back in Turkey and picked up an audio interface for the task... Beringher USB-ya-da-ya-da as I recall.
He plumbed the audio line outs to the audio interface and (to have the audio too) he plumbed the USB MIDI to the same audio interface.
Then Cubasis sees 2 audio lines in (the Osmose synth sounds) and the Osmose MIDI.
Selecting the right audio interface is key... I might use the search engine and find the Kawai
exercise. @LinearLineman unloaded the Kawai and the audio interface since moving to the us or just before.
@Ploe and @GovernorSilver, exactly. I understand Equator is so-so, as well, and I am not interested in being tethered to a laptop for mpe sounds.
@GovernorSilver, how do you plan to use yours? It looks like “several” months till they roll out.