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Is there a way to sync Drambo with GarageBand?
I’ve been doing some tests on Drambo (AUv3) but I can’t seem to sync the timeline with Drambo. Play/pause works but not MIDI follow. I checked the metronome option but it seems to only support Ableton Link.
I would do LINK to MIDI but in the wise words of Tim Apple,
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Garageband will actually slave when using MMC.
I discovered this on Friday when testing an MPC Renaissance and the iOS DAW’s that I have.
The MPC Renaissance will not slave to Garageband so there’s that.
I’ve just loaded up dRambo auv3 in GarageBand on my phone and dRambo is in sync with Garageband.
I’ve change the tempo from 110bpm to 88bpm and it lost sync which is normal.
So I stopped GarageBand and pressed start again.
It’s in sync.
Drambo is set to ‘host sync’.
What are you actually trying to do?
MMC only communicates transport commands, it doesn't provide the information for a host and slave to remain tightly synced (you still need MTC or the lower res midi clock to keep things synced up or Ableton Link).
Agreed.
Almost forgot.
Thanks for the reminder, much appreciated.
I was simply happy when Garageband responded
to MMC from the MPC Renaissance on Friday.
Annoyingly the MPC Renaissance doesn’t respond
to MTC though it does send and receive MMC.
I will also add that the MPC Renaissance does send MTC
but doesn’t receive MTC.
So,... quick recap in regards to Garageband is that
Garageband will respond to MMC but doesn’t respond to MTC
or I haven’t ever been able to find it in any of the menus.
It also doesn’t seem to send MMC.
I’ve had a look via Streambyter and Garageband sends
Midi Clock and Song position when Midi Clock is switched on.
I already know drambo doesn’t respond to Midi Clock when
instantiated as an auv3 as it uses host sync as an auv3.
drambo stand-alone will send and receive Midi Clock.
It will not use Ableton Link when Midi Clock is switched on to receive in
drambo though it will send Midi Clock when Ableton Link is switched on.
So @seonnthaproducer
Yes, Garageband ain’t no slave. 😁🙏🏽
Huh?
Works here. What do you mean by "MIDI follow?"
I’m not sure if it’s the right term. I’m trying to get the timeline of Drambo to match with Garageband. Say, if I load an audio using Flexi Sampler, or if I use the MIDI grid, I’d like it to match up to the timeline location on Garageband.
^^^Timeline sync/location:
That's where MTC or MIDI Beat Clock sync with SPP (Song Position Pointer) support comes in. Or MMC Locate support.
afaik, Auria Pro may be the only iOS/iPadOS DAW/host that supports some of this, but I don't have it.
Ah, thanks for the detail. Flexi doesn't work like that. You have to tell it what to do.
Option 1: Load a properly cut loop and set Flexi up like this:
Option 2: Load any loop, slice it manually and create a sequence of chromatically ascending notes to trigger the slices, in the rhythm you like:
The advantage is that you can change the tempo without changing the pitch of your loop.
Thanks @rs2000 for the tip. Appreciate it.
First method seems to be easier to implement. Was doing it for a full audio track so I had to increase it to 64 beats, and 5 bars. Also set it to Native.
Trying to understand the second method. Is it similar to Reslice where it chops the audio, and you trigger it with the keyboard? (In this case, the sequencer)
I believe Garageband and BeatHawk as an AUv3 (in song mode) has this feature. Was actually surprised when it worked but didn’t have any practical application for it.
Thanks for the tips everyone @Gravitas @espiegel123 @ocelot @rs2000
You're welcome!
Yes. Plus, the Pitch knob lets you control pitch independently while you're doing that.
You could have Flexi sit on track 2 and slices be triggered from track 2's sequencer and use sequencer track 1 with only a MIDI to CV module and its pitch (the musical note) output used to modulate the pitch knob of flexi.
So track 2 plays the slices and track 1 adjusts the pitch on each step.
@seonnthaproducer Check this out:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/45315/advanced-audio-slicing-in-drambo-independent-control-of-pitch-and-rhythm/p1?new=1
Agreed.
I can confirm that Auria Pro supports some of this.
I'll need to download Garageband again, but I did a quick test by scrubbing AUM's timeline with Beathawk in song mode loaded as an AU, and Beathawk's playhead does move around, but hmmm - something's amiss. Tested in Beatmaker 3, but it didn't move.
Now I'm curious if this behavior is just an anomaly with AU host sync.
Would you say that Auria as the master sends tightly-synced locate values?
Once Auria Pro is configured for sync it seems to sync really cool well when Master.
It’s when it’s trying to follow that’s when problems arise.
That’s with loads of DAW’s anyway so it’s nothing unusual.
Thanks!
Yeah, it's interesting. The new MPCs do both (Sync Leader & Follower), but when following, the leader needs to be rock-solid, otherwise audio recording on the MPCs is disabled. Maybe that's why Kymatica hesitates to implement Midi Clock sync in AUM? And why several desktop DAWs refuse to be the sync follower.
That's good news in regards to the new MPC's.
The two apps that I use regularly that have
really good midi sync are BM3 and dRambo.
Both use midi clock and both can lead and follow.
Admittedly sometimes there is drift, I did some tests end of last year
and earlier this year and I had AUM, DRambo and BM3 all in sync
almost non stop using a combination of Ableton Link, Midi Clock and host sync.
The other auv3's were hosted so no need to be concerned there.
Though Kymatica is hesitating in regards to implementing
'Midi Clock in' I think they should try.
There's no harm in trying.
Their 'Midi clock out' is rock solid but limited to one port
so we have to use a third party app and reroute
if we need multiple midi clock sends.
The technology is there for DAW's to sync properly.
Ableton Link proves this.
MIDI clock has historically not been considered adequate for audio synching as it is both lower res than MTC , and MIDI Clock's absolute resolution changes with tempo.
@gravitas: are the problems you've encountered with Auria Pro following issues when following MTC? Have you confirmed the source was reliable?
You might want to report issues ASAP as the dev is working on an AP update (I think it is a fairly focused update)
I'm not using Auria Pro to follow sync at the moment though
I am going to be conducting some tests using MMC, midi sync
and the MPC Renaissance in the next few days
so if there are any issues I will certainly report them to the Dev.
Agreed, Ableton Link, while a totally different protocol, is more reliable in my experience versus MIDI Beat Clock. I use a combo of Link and MIDI Clock sync, depending on the app/software. I'd like to see more hardware (Elektron!) add Ableton Link like the Akais and Pioneers (WiFi & Ethernet).
True, when syncing video with audio, I tore my hair out with MTC and a few others...lots of money was spent on sync/clock hardware! But MIDI Beat Clock can be reliable, it depends on the particular software/hardware, but you're correct in saying that it's much lower-resolution than MTC.