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DØVYDAS - I wish I knew this when I first started
Some of the best and current advice on getting your music out there!
We should all be listening to this guy! The proof is in the pudding!
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Bandcamp, Distrokid, Amazon, Apple, YouTube… there are a thousand outlets available. The problem is there are a thousand outlets available. There is an oversupply of audio of all kinds. Music, podcasts, audiobooks, etc. If you don’t advertise, have an audience already or have something unique in the marketplace of things fighting for people’s attention, then it’s easy to be overlooked.
In my opinion, there is not a lot of space for less than extraordinary attention-getting talent if one has ambitions of becoming a “rich and famous” musician in the music business, but there are opportunities everywhere if you want to earn a steady living. This is the same in almost any business. Just my 2 cents.
All so true! While I’ve let the ambitions of becoming rich and famous go many years ago myself, I wouldn’t mind earning a steady living doing what I love one day.
When I retire (in another 10-15 years) from my real job, I’ll be happy if I could earn a part time income doing live local gigs, and maybe even street performing if I can find a nice local/venue/spot.
In my observations, it only takes a small amount of talent to bring some beautiful music into a space where there’s normally none. Like a train station, or a bus stop, old folks homes? There’s plenty of places.. the boardwalk at the beach… etc etc (just don’t try St Augustine, FL! They banned street musicians a while back because I think there were too many lol)
Now of course on the internet, making videos of these said performances and uploading them to YouTube only adds to the billions of other street musician’s videos already out there yes, but in real life, there’s no skipping or clicking onto the next video.
Like you say, it’s the same with any business where you’ve got to spend money to make money, and sometimes that doesn’t always happen. With any “business” though, one always has to take risks, and sometimes a leap of faith.
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Well, it seems that a good chance for succes is selling your soul to the devil
Or just learn some business basics, @Identor. Music and art are also a business if one intends to make them their living, after all. And learning the basics goes a long way when you learn how to recognize the contract you’ve just been offered is entirely one-sided and not to your benefit. Learn the business of music. It’ll help the art side of things.
Distrokid is very visible marketing their own name
One of the comments on the video is so true:
“I wish they HAD this when I first started”
The man has a point lol
The biggest difference now is that the barriers have been lowered. Any number of platforms provide free access to a potentially large number of fans today. There was nothing like that prior to mp3.com.
But the pace has also quickened. Almost no platform survives 5 years, and new ones are springing up all the time.
In addition to identifying the popular platforms now (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok) it's important to watch for and identify the new developments, to understand what new thing they are providing. They are the trendsetters that other platforms will mimic.
It's also important to realize that the next generation of fans will arise on a new platform. If you only focus on what's important today, you will be irrelevant in 5 years (and this maximum longevity is shortening).
I think TikTok's algorithm is good for music and music business. I hope it is emulated by more platforms.
Quoting from a Wired article:
While other platforms are geared more toward highlighting content with mass appeal, TikTok’s algorithms seem just as likely to pluck a new creator out of obscurity as they are to feature a known star. And they’re particularly adept at feeding relevant content to niche communities of users who share a particular interest or identity. The ability of new creators to get a lot of views very quickly—and the ease with which users can discover so many kinds of content—have contributed to the app’s stunning growth.
I've used Distrokid for several years, but a friend of mine has just fallen foul of a scammer who is known for filing false copyright claims against independent artists, Distrokid are acting terribly, and it has left a really bad taste in my mouth.
Distrokid pulled his music from every single streaming platform overnight, and they are refusing to help. Distrokid are blaming Spotify. Spotify are blaming Distrokid (it's definitely Distrokid. How would Spotify have the power to pull my friend's music from Amazon, Apple, Tidal, etc?!?).
The spiteful individual in question has been filing false copyright claims against independent artists for years, and despite being known to companies like Distrokid, he is being allowed to act with impunity. He's been in prison for cyber crimes back in 2003, threatens people who refuse to use his services or call him out on his scams, files false and illegal copyright claims, scams people through fake promo companies, claims to be an A&R + producer for UMG, and lots more.
Distrokid are happy to take your money, but if ever someone files a copyright claim against your music, it will be gone in an instant, because it's easier for them to remove it than to investigate the claims. No matter how 'in the right' you are, they just won't help.
There's a movement starting to happen on Twitter, with various legal people helping, reports being filed with the FBI, and so on, but after their initial "it's not our fault", Distrokid are just ignoring any attempts to contact / communicate with them.
Both YouTube and Soundcloud have helped my friend and reinstated his music, but Distro and Spotify just don't care.
Sorry for the rant. I feel really bad for my friend, and finding out that it could happen to me, you, or anyone else, at any time, makes me really angry (I'd imagine that Spotify wouldn't treat major label artists in this way).
Who is this alleged scammer? (And I use the word “alleged” for legal reasons.)
Jeez that does sound like a nightmare!
@NeuM -
This is just one of his aliases...
https://www.google.com/search?q=jaywan+inc+scammer&client=ms-android-huawei-rev1&ei=-nO1YN6uDs2p1fAPq5eA6A4&oq=jaywan+inc+scammer&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToECAAQRzoCCAA6BggAEBYQHlCWYVjecmDgd2gAcAF4AIABcIgBqAWSAQM3LjGYAQCgAQHIAQfAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#ip=1
And if you want to read what my friend (and numerous other artists) has been going through, read through his latest twitter posts. There are various publications currently writing about the situation.
https://twitter.com/IDivorcedLife
“It’s hard to get heard and even harder to actually make money as a musician“, every musician in 1961
Ditto - every musician in 1971
Ditto - every musician in 1981
Ditto - every musician in 1991
Ditto - every musician in 2001
Ditto - every musician in 2011
Ditto - every musician in 2021
“Well, one way to make some money in this business is to sell musicians a way to make some money in this business” - a few smart folks since forever.
The only time i ever hear about DistroKid is when a musician youtuber makes one of these sponsored videos. What does it say about them when no one is making these videos without a financial incentive?
also, that 'Upstream' thing is absurd. 'Are you an artist who is interested in record label opportunities?' Click here to opt-in to having 'vetted' labels listen to your music. and if they like it they'll contact you!..
cuz, ya know, for when google is broken.
Even the most (financially) successful musicians can get conned out of their money or master recordings, so I still recommend musicians learn their business and treat it no different from a small business. And if one has no experience in business, find a mentor or hire an accountant for advice.
absolutely. wasn't suggesting otherwise .. more so that record labels aren't looking at artists that have paid to be in a special box - like 'Upstream' claims. it just doesn't work like that. there's no barrier to discovery anymore.
and consult a lawyer before anything else. there are music lawyers that specialize in contracts, copyright, and negotiation within that environment. And yes, find someone savvy in business, though Spotify operates in their own nightmare realm.
I’ve been telling people I’m going to dump Distrokid this summer, and I will in a month or so before the next renewal, as it’s not paying for itself at all.
My plan instead is to increase the rarity in my work through obscurity, if anyone wants to hear my songs they have to find me and ask me first, making it more justified when they finally do.
NFTs?
Spot on.
Ditto keeps being mentioned repeatedly in this thread, which prompts the question – is anyone here on Ditto and how do you find it?
(I mean, I know how to find it, just go to the url)