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Sugarbytes Daw?
Am I crazy or did Sugar Bytes used to have an app on iOS that was like a mini DAW? The one I’m thinking of wasn’t a traditional sequencer/piano roll setup. It used some kind of symbol system instead (all kind if weird little symbols in coloured boxes if I remember correctly). Anyone know what the heck I’m talking about? I thought it was Sugar Bytes but I can’t find it in the App Store as being one of their apps, wondering if they’ve taken it down or if I’m just misremembering who the dev was.
If it’s still around, curious about checking it out potentially…. I don’t even have a guess on the name of the app, I tried clicking through the App Store on apps that are similar thinking it would be suggested eventually but no dice there either (why I’m kind of thinking it’s been pulled, I remember it coming up along with several other older DAW-type apps in suggested.
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Egoist?
Egoist.
You might be thinking of iSequence HD by Beep Street
That’s it! Excellent call! Back when I saw this in the store, wasn’t that familiar with Sugar Bytes at the time, probably mixed up the two names
Thanks for the feedback. Happen to know if isequence is any good?
Also, I love egoist!
I never bought it
it was on my early wishlist, just never pulled the trigger.
It has quite a few fans around here, not sure if they still use it though.
But the developer has now made Drambo which is much deeper and has some of its DNA I guess.
Its a favorite of mine and still in use, although export via pasteboard is broken. Projects can still be exported through iTunes or iMazing. I’ve asked the dev @giku_beepstreet to make the fix…many times but…
Its an interesting version of tracker software…sideways, like Pixitracker, with the tracker lineage under the hood
What @Littlewoodg said....It's a great writer, and many of us who are deeply intimidated by Drambo still dream that it might just be polished a little and sent back out.
Wow, I never heard of this one. Thanks to this thread. Now, if Beep Street could chime in a bit about any upcoming update...
Thank you for the report, @Obo 👍
Oo oo a Sugar Bytes daw! Weeeeeeee .....
Oh ... wah wahhhhhhhhhh.
I am actually looking forward to the new Sugarbytes modular daw/sequencer which I imagine will end up on iOS at some point, but it's more like a mirack sequencer with no visible timeline.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNsJ8rmKjtU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I don’t want to make sweeping assumptions but from what I see mr BeepStreet is knee deep in Drambo development. I mean break a neck Drambo development. Not a day passes without some news in the beta team. I don’t think I’ve ever experienced such a thing. So in short: I personally doubt there will be much in a way of feature updates as far as ISequence is concerned even if I see it has quite a following.
Yep, I’m afraid this has been true well before Drambo, when Zeeon was in development and his VST before that. If only Drambo had some of the tracker niceties including glissando
Maybe Drambo is what his attention is focused on right now.
But I may have dreamt about him mentioning her would deliver a new iSequence in the future
But really... I may be tripping
It's still great, as is Pixitracker from Zolotov.
For anyone interested, these two iSequence (11 years old) videos are awesome:
ISequence looks really good. Definitely has that tracker philosophy that I've been quite interested in. Drambo with some of these features would be amazing! Like how easy it is to assign individual steps to different instruments/modules. Maybe an expansion to the drambo step sequencer?
It's funny, I was thinking about Egoist and the other Sugarbytes apps and wondering if they get in the way of making music? Like, all of the features they have, the clever tricks, would I not be better off spending my time with the basics? I mean, there's the sample player, I could do that with a sampler, it's not like it plays the sample in a special Egoist way. All of the tweaks for every part of it are just stuff you could do with anything else. If you wanted to. But why would you? What does it bring to a track? Has anyone here added them into their workflow and is sat there thinking "well I can't do without it?"
imo, it simplifies making tunes a bit more interesting. I use them for supplementing existing stuff. Like Octatrack transition tricks without an OT.
Egoist has its Effectrix-lite FX. Its bassline can output MIDI as an AU. Rolling the dice is fun.
Effectrix, with its sequencer can do odd lengths for making a stale 4/4 beat sound interesting.
imo, doing all that on a piano roll sequencer, with automations, and regular FX and samplers takes a lot more effort.
@supadom @Littlewoodg : I feel the same...One can dream, I guess. But, everyone, please send in more suggestions, comments, and feedback. This is a good read! @Carnbot : !! Looks like heaven for all modular heads. I'm not sure it's the most efficient way for DAW, haha. Certainly fun to experiment with virtual logic gates, switches, etc., and end up with an unexpected great syncopated groove!
Lol, I thought about that when I revisited this thread later on. Oops! Sorry about that.
But hey, I guess it got the audience I needed to answer the question!
I guess, for me, the value of doing anything right now is the learning curve, the steps to enlightenment, if you like. Apps like Egoist tend to teach me very little other than how to use that particular app.
I think it really depends on how you learn new things. Egoist isn’t the greatest example in my opinion even though I know what you’re getting at. Where egoist really shines in my opinion is the amount of controls you can randomize (after a quick count just now, I came up with 12 separate randomize triggers within the app - all that randomize a different set of parameters).
Because each of these is a single click, it can make changes and come up with results that sound way different than anything you or I would land on without the randomize features and it’s going to do it far quicker than we could ever tweak all those knobs. The reason this works so well is that it’s not just one global randomize button (although it has that as well). The fun and also the power comes from the ability for the user to decide which fields to randomize and and when. So even though the machine is making a lot of the individual changes, you don’t feel like you’re just watching it make music, you’re deciding what needs changing and then tweaking it further after the randomizer gets you into new territory.
Where all this comes full circle as far as learning for me anyway kind of works in reverse. You’re randomising and tweaking until you find something that sounds good. But then as you go back to make your adjustments, you can see WHY it sounds the way it sounds. This is knowledge you can put to use down the line when you come across similar controls or circumstances within a different setting.