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How to learn to make electronic music tracks.

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  • @ashh

    Do you have dRambo and a Launchpad?

  • edited June 2021

    no idea if somebody mentioned it already, bit i would suggest to LISTEN oficcially released music in first place ... a LOT ! Concenteate on genre you wan to make and listen as much top artists in that gener as possible.. learn from them.. analyze their tracks, understand how they are doing things, learn sounds and composition tricks used in that genre from other top tracks..

    Not sayinh you should 1:1 copy other tracks. But to break rules and make something original and new but still fitting some particular genre, you first need to perfectly know that rules :-)

  • @onerez said:
    Goodness……. Are we talking about music or spirituality here?? 😁.

    Sometimes I think it’s the same. When I hear things in my own music I don’t like, I rarely experience them as technical flaws. (Those are easy to fix with practice.) Instead I experience them as flaws in my moral and personal development. I feel like I need to become a better person to make better music. It seems like a daunting challenge.

  • edited June 2021

    @senhorlampada said:
    I would say "Yeah... the 8 track will make you happy"
    Because I recall how I used to record on a 4 track and being more productive with my gear.
    But before you shell out any money, treat your ipad as a multitrack recorder.

    Record your gear and instruments into a DAW of your choice (or maybe AUM to make it simple) and see if it clicks with you, mate

    Forget editing/arranging, putting effects and other apps. Focus on it as recorder

    Yes. And maybe stick to one synth and one drum machine for now. It may be those you know best or those you'd like to learn more. Just choose which and commit to using only them in the next couple months. It will help you focus on what's more important.
    The abundance of choice can be very distracting or even paralyzing

  • @yug said:
    Yes. And maybe stick to one synth and one drum machine for now. It may be those you know best or those you'd like to learn more. Just choose which and commit to using only them in the next couple months. It will help you focus on what's more important.
    The abundance of choice can be very distracting or even paralyzing

    So true, mate.
    Some weeks ago I spent some time just playing with my Korg EMX. Then some time just with the QY-70. It's really good to focus on a few key elements. And since you don't have to spend time thinking about how and where to route stuff, you just focus on that instrument and your music

  • edited June 2021

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    This man uses a DAWless setup.

    This man teaches some excellent techno music theory (and other great techno-related videos).

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/45545/i-want-to-produce-minimal-techno-where-do-i-start/p1 My thread about wanting to learn Minimal Techno. (Although now I'm trying to wrap my brain around "IDM", lol.)

    Having a blast in Korg Gadget. I know Gadget requires more screen time, but a person can make some pretty decent Techno in

    It's funny, that bloke with the school in Belgium who you posted, I actually signed up for a one to one with him but some work stuff got in the way. I am still thinking about him or someone similar as a tutor.

    @Gravitas said:
    @ashh

    Do you have dRambo and a Launchpad?

    I do indeed. I'm not sure if the Launchpad clicks with me tbh but I have a Mk3 Pro.

  • @senhorlampada said:
    I would say "Yeah... the 8 track will make you happy"
    Because I recall how I used to record on a 4 track and being more productive with my gear.
    But before you shell out any money, treat your ipad as a multitrack recorder.

    Record your gear and instruments into a DAW of your choice (or maybe AUM to make it simple) and see if it clicks with you, mate

    Good call about the iPad. There is so much more to it that I just don't have a clue about. I'm not into throwing money at any problem but I'm not against it either. I was thinking about selling all my gear and getting a Macbook Pro but then I knew that was more about my frustration with this issue than any particular direction I wanted to take. I am very much focused on what I have right now. I know, for certain, that I have everything I need to make the music I want to make. There's no point in spending any more money.

  • @dendy said:
    no idea if somebody mentioned it already, bit i would suggest to LISTEN oficcially released music in first place ... a LOT ! Concenteate on genre you wan to make and listen as much top artists in that gener as possible.. learn from them.. analyze their tracks, understand how they are doing things, learn sounds and composition tricks used in that genre from other top tracks..

    Not sayinh you should 1:1 copy other tracks. But to break rules and make something original and new but still fitting some particular genre, you first need to perfectly know that rules :-)

    Definitely agree with you. Knowing what music I want to make, exactly what it sounds like, is the first step to being comfortable with making it, imo.

  • @yug said:

    @senhorlampada said:
    I would say "Yeah... the 8 track will make you happy"
    Because I recall how I used to record on a 4 track and being more productive with my gear.
    But before you shell out any money, treat your ipad as a multitrack recorder.

    Record your gear and instruments into a DAW of your choice (or maybe AUM to make it simple) and see if it clicks with you, mate

    Forget editing/arranging, putting effects and other apps. Focus on it as recorder

    Yes. And maybe stick to one synth and one drum machine for now. It may be those you know best or those you'd like to learn more. Just choose which and commit to using only them in the next couple months. It will help you focus on what's more important.
    The abundance of choice can be very distracting or even paralyzing

    Mate, you are right, I know you are but there are so many drum machines/synths etc etc and so little time...

  • Honestly, I think you're overthinking this. Just start making some tracks, and keep going :)

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @onerez said:
    Goodness……. Are we talking about music or spirituality here?? 😁.

    Sometimes I think it’s the same. When I hear things in my own music I don’t like, I rarely experience them as technical flaws. (Those are easy to fix with practice.) Instead I experience them as flaws in my moral and personal development. I feel like I need to become a better person to make better music. It seems like a daunting challenge.

    Interesting comment. I can relate. I try to be kinder to myself these days but I have definitely told myself what an an idiot I am due to a flaw in my process.

  • If you want to use a DAW, I might suggest to get some ideas in a short loop (vertical approach). Now you can examine if the loops fit together. If you have a palette op loops, you can tweak every channel to get a coherent sound, so every individual instrument get their place. Now you can work out a song structure, because you have the palette you need. Then you can add elements to glue the song structure, like a riser, filtering, automation etc.

  • I uploaded a live performance drum sequencer for dRambo
    on to Patchstorage that's configured for an iPad and a Launchpad.

    It requires 2 custom mappings for a Launchpad
    which can be done in both the X and mkiii.
    The only problem is that it's a hassle to reconfigure all
    the midi out ports otherwise I would suggest you try it out.
    The developer from Audanika and @rs2000
    amongst others were discussing this issue in another thread.

    Anyway, if you also have AUM then I'm going to do a couple
    of tests to see how the project could be transferred from
    one iPad to another and still retain its settings.

    Once this is possible , I think you're going to enjoy
    the project because you mentioned less screen time.

    Back on point.

    Have you finished any tracks recently that you're happy listening to?

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    When I hear things in my own music I don’t like, I rarely experience them as technical flaws. (Those are easy to fix with practice.) Instead I experience them as flaws in my moral and personal development. I feel like I need to become a better person to make better music. It seems like a daunting challenge.

    You might just be a tad bit too hard on yourself mate... :)

  • @Gravitas said:
    I uploaded a live performance drum sequencer for dRambo
    on to Patchstorage that's configured for an iPad and a Launchpad.

    It requires 2 custom mappings for a Launchpad
    which can be done in both the X and mkiii.
    The only problem is that it's a hassle to reconfigure all
    the midi out ports otherwise I would suggest you try it out.
    The developer from Audanika and @rs2000
    amongst others were discussing this issue in another thread.

    Anyway, if you also have AUM then I'm going to do a couple
    of tests to see how the project could be transferred from
    one iPad to another and still retain its settings.

    Once this is possible , I think you're going to enjoy
    the project because you mentioned less screen time.

    Back on point.

    Have you finished any tracks recently that you're happy listening to?

    Cool. Sounds like something I'd love to try. Hope you get it configured out. ;)

    I have never finished a track. Not one.

  • @ashh said:

    @Gravitas said:
    I uploaded a live performance drum sequencer for dRambo
    on to Patchstorage that's configured for an iPad and a Launchpad.

    It requires 2 custom mappings for a Launchpad
    which can be done in both the X and mkiii.
    The only problem is that it's a hassle to reconfigure all
    the midi out ports otherwise I would suggest you try it out.
    The developer from Audanika and @rs2000
    amongst others were discussing this issue in another thread.

    Anyway, if you also have AUM then I'm going to do a couple
    of tests to see how the project could be transferred from
    one iPad to another and still retain its settings.

    Once this is possible , I think you're going to enjoy
    the project because you mentioned less screen time.

    Back on point.

    Have you finished any tracks recently that you're happy listening to?

    Cool. Sounds like something I'd love to try. Hope you get it configured out. ;)

    Yeah, so do I. 😁
    It's so easy and fun once everything is configured properly.

    I have never finished a track. Not one.

    Here's a suggestion.
    How about finishing a track or as close to what you think you're capable of.
    @LinearLineman mentioned something along these lines earlier.

  • @richardyot

    There's only one way to master any skill: you have to practice, you have to actually produce stuff.

    Absolutely this.

    Since then I have written a minimum of one song every month (78 months in total and more than 100 finished tracks, most of them with vocals).

    Setting goals and making sure to tick off those goals (daily, weekly or monthly goals) is the mindset that a lot of us don’t have. Procrastination has an annoying way of creeping into everything.

    I must say, @richardyot , I am very inspired by your commitment. Will definitely check out the ebook.

    @ashh said:

    I feel like I know just enough to know that I don't know enough. I recently realised that I was just buying stuff and learning how to use it. That's it.

    Haha! I did exactly this for almost 3 years. When the time is right you will get going. :smiley:

  • Put up snippets you create. They don’t always have to be full fleshed beast. I often show fragments when I am experimenting with a new app and if those fragments are shown at the same time the app is revealed then everybody knows you are just experimenting. Use the comments you receive to guide you, ask for comments as you go, explain where you are coming from. Unless we are vunerable we cannot be creative.

  • @dendy said:
    no idea if somebody mentioned it already, bit i would suggest to LISTEN oficcially released music in first place ... a LOT ! Concenteate on genre you wan to make and listen as much top artists in that gener as possible.. learn from them.. analyze their tracks, understand how they are doing things, learn sounds and composition tricks used in that genre from other top tracks..

    This is good advice, and I’d on top of it, that you should consider the context of how you want it played at the end - ie: if you’re making techno you want the end result to be playable in a DJ set. So doing a lot of listening by actually DJing is a really great way of learning what song structures are going to help with that, where your breakdown(s) should go, how your track should top and tail etc. When I’m working on tracks, one of my late stage tests with them is to drop them into a DJ set (just playing to myself and the kids) just to make sure that it works. Algoriddim DJay is excellent for this.

    Also, don’t beat yourself up, we’re all different. I really struggle to start a track but once something clicks I can race to the finished thing, I have friends who are the complete opposite and can produce endless stunningly beautiful 1 minute loops but can’t ever finish them off into a full track.

  • @drcongo yup, i can subscribe to everything you wrote :+1:

  • edited June 2021

    So! Workflow. It's everything and yet very little is written about it or talked about it. I liked loopop's mini series on it. I think, for me, this is becoming the framework that's pushing me forward. I was farting about in Flip the other day and I realised that I really like playing stuff in real time. Having a beat, kick and snare or whatever and then overdubbing the hats and then the bassline and so on. If you look at Flip it has a Song mode that you build from Parts. A bit like GR-16. I was really enjoying that, getting my groove on and that was when I realised this stuff.

    Anyway, Flip is pretty buggy. Not sure what has happened to the updates but it just kept closing when I did random stuff. So I moved onto GR-16. I actually have a Korg Electribe 2 so if my flow marries up with the way the app and the hardware does then I can see me moving forward with making a full track. I'm currently enjoying Sound for More's tuts on GR-16 as his way of teaching chimes with my way of learning.

    This is about fun for me. That's it. Not constantly banging my head against something until I get blood out of it. That's not fun.

    Here's something from @wim about his GR-16 workflow -

    __I always start out by generating a ton of ideas quickly in GR-16. I'll start with a drum part, bass part, chords, or a riff, as the mood dictates. I try to switch up what I start with to minimize repetitive grooves and to challenge myself. Next I start adding parts, as quickly as I can manage, and trying not to obsess with sound design or part perfection. I just keep piling part after part on, muting some parts if it gets too busy for my head to deal with, but generally keeping most of them going so that anything I add goes well with everything else. I keep going until I run out of ideas or available parts.

    Next I'll go one of two ways. I'll either jam around with different combinations of parts until I get a sense of how I would want a song to flow. Then copy the pattern a bunch of times and string them together into song mode. Then I go through and mute / unmute parts in each pattern, record automation, etc. until the "song" comes together.

    Or, I'll not bother copying the patterns, instead recording all midi out into Xequence 2. I'll end up with up to 16 tracks, each with one pattern. Now it's a piece of cake to copy and arrange those parts into a song in Xequence 2. This is a great way to put together songs from all those ideas generated earlier. I posted a template and description of this workflow over on patch storage: https://patchstorage.com/xequence-2-grooverider-gr-16-patch/.

    I like that second workflow the best because it leverages the respective strengths of GR-16 (idea generation) and Xequence 2 (arranging).

    All that said, the real fun with GR-16 is in live jamming.__

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    I feel like I need to become a better person to make better music.

    It never bothered Wagner.

  • maybe a different approach: Just do a cover song or two as an excercise. Take a song you like or just some kitsch 80ies pop song and try to cover it with the instruments you'd want to use in your own compositions, give it an electronic vibe, recreate it in the music style that you'd like to make music in.

    Now you already have a song structure, a framework of sorts, some melodies to start with and should you want to add vocals, you already have some lyrics at hand. Basically, a whole bunch of reference material. So you don't have to start at absolute zero. And you can just get a feeling for how to arrange your instruments, how to line up different parts, how to write accompagnying bassline parts etc.

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  • edited July 2021

    Recent issue of Computer Music Magazine has a multi page spread on sequencing, making electronic beats.

    Edit: I mentioned the wrong issue. It was actually the October 2020, issue. APOLOGIES.

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