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Why I’m switching back to the Novation Launchkey
Decided to share my thoughts after 3 weeks of use. I like the controller, but I get more use out of my Novation Launchkey.
In this video, I share my experiences with the controller, recommended use cases for the Launchpad, and why I’m using the Novation Launchkey as my main controller.
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I concur, I love my Launchkey 37 more than any controller I have and I have a lot!
Agreed. I have mk 2 because it can run without power banks. The concept of switching midi channels on the fly means that the 8 knobs are available for each channel giving a lot of hands on control from a tiny footprint. Launch control works in a similar way.
If launchpad had a row of knobs across the top I might feel differently about it but it doesn’t and the fact that its hard to see the led lights in bright light makes it quite tricky to use. I had lpx btw.
Finished buying controllers with the launchpad. Should have setup so its bling. Think I may have gone a bit insane with what were ment to be just an ipad because it seemed most versitile and cheaper than buying other gear. Hope the usb cables dont hurt ipads and with the launchpad im not even sure changing the route note for stuff thats already generating notes will sound good. Not sure whether to have 8 or 12 drum tracks with ting and other samples etc. The phone I use is for the turntable also. So 3 ios devices in aum. The nanokey is for a bass synth so I kept a drambo sequencer for that synth on screen even though I can clear sequence via midi. If I can manage percussion without programming, then I guess managing bass is also needed. Its still likely a live track maker and possibly not a good idea, rather than a live set. May as well just launch audio clips. The launchkey would be better though. I just bought launchpad to transpose. I think its probably worthwhile to buy another phone so I can record but still use a phone for deck. If it sounds bad at least we can conclude Im mentally ill.
I have both next to each other
, the LK 25 on the left and the LP Pro MK3 on the right. I think they really complement each other.
That Fader Fox looks lovely! How do you like it?
Now that's shaping up quite nicely.
All you're missing now are some LED's to make it look really bling.
I would recommend taking the plastic off the microphone.
You lose a lot of the frequencies that way unless that's the sound you're going for.
Either get a pop shield or use the end of a pair of 12 denier tights or socks.
Socks would be better as you don't have to cut them to size.
You could experiment with the denier thickness.
12 denier is a good thickness to remove plosives and s'.
Now before we derail @seonnthaproducer's thread with chit chat
let's focus on the subject at hand.
Personally I haven't tried the Launchkey and for my rig
it would be pointless as I already have a keyboard.
Much like Sigma has done with his setup I'm going to integrate
the LP X and the LC XL mki into my rig with the keyboard.
I'm keeping an eye out for good, solid appropriate stands
that won't scratch the midi controllers.
Saying that I have found a guy that 3D prints Launchpad stands
and various other device specific stands that are reasonably priced,
they just don't work with my rig.
The Launchpads are strange devices.
Launching only clips isn't really a thing for me.
I might as well use the iPad screen and the Ampify Launchpad app in that case.
As an instrument it can double trigger when played gently.
When using it for drum programming it's super efficient.
I like the feel much better than the MPC Renaissance
which I've been using recently for studio sessions.
For my uses it comes into it's own when I'm
using it in combination with other stuff.
If I were to have only one midi controller?
I agree with seonnthaproducer's conclusion that the Launchkey is preferable.
I don't know, feels like comparing apples to oranges
Fair dues.
I play keys at a competent enough level to do gigs
and I play quite a few other instruments so obviously
I would feel more comfortable with the Launchkey.
Saying that, I took out my keyboard so that I could focus
on learning to play the LP X as a clip launcher, midi controller
and as a soloing instrument in Note mode.
I have no need for 'Session Mode'.
I've still got a way to go yet but it's starting to sound fluid.
If it's an 'either or' situation? then I will stick with my recommendation
but if you already have other instruments or you would
like to think in a different way when playing then it's really cool.
Which faderfox? The pc12 iv only used a bit and its cool for just a scene. Thats why I bought the ec4. The pc12 seemed fun for euclidean drums but I guess I could map another scene to other drum machines. If I map 12 tings then Id need to map eucliean/standard midi synths on the ec4. If 8 or even 10 tings ( 8 could maybe switch track preset in drambo ) but if theres not good way of switching tracks, then more tings transpose anyway and a hi hat transposes to a snare. With the ec4 I guess it might be mononoke mapping or mononoke full screen, then a synth/synth mappings. Some filters. A gauss page but gauss record to the nanokontrol. Maybe a fieldscaper page and then a midi control of 4 synths. With 12 tings. Eulcidean melodies would be on the ec4 but euclidean melodies dont need all 6 knobs like the pc12. Just a speed setting. A chance. Maybe a filter and a volume.
Cheers Grav
@sigma79
No worries.
@Stuntman_mike Nice. I almost got the 37 key but it didn't fit in my bag, hence I went with the 25 key. I sometimes miss having the extra keys, but I've been experimenting with using my iPad to play simple chords.
@supadom That's awesome. I wish the MK3 had the low power mode of the MK2. Nowadays, I travel with a battery bank that also has a wall socket.
That's a sick setup, @sigma79 Liking the Korg Nanokey. Do you use it a lot with Gadget 2? I really like the fact that it's a bluetooth controller.
@FloRi89 Honestly, I think this might be the ultimate setup. I gotta get a USB Hub to try this out. Imagine making a beat with Groovebox, while using Launchpad to trigger loops.
Thanks, @Gravitas . Looking forward to what next you'll do with the Launchpad. It's very much an insane controller, which is why I'm still keeping mine, although it'll be a home studio controller, versus my "everyday" controller.
I may have to revisit the idea of using it to control multiple things, versus a solo app control. Something that comes to mind is Koala Sampler + Drambo, especially since they both support split screen viewing.
@yug Agreed. One's interpretation of an item is completely different from another's. It was fun to share mine, haha. That aside, I wanted to ask this a while back...did you end up getting the full version of Reason on the computer? Also, what's your thoughts on the subscription model. I'm still using the Lite version that came with Reason Compact, and it has pretty much what I need (Dr Octo Rex, Thor - wish this was still available for iOS, Europa, Monotone, Rhythmik, and others).
I was not aware of the Gridinstrument app (split screen support sold it!) so I grabbed that thanks to your video. Surprised that it also runs on an old iPod Touch I have at iOS 9!
I saw that the Launchpad X was on Amazon’s “pay over 5 months” scheme in the UK and almost clicked to buy until I realised that it did not have a wireless option
I have the nanoKey and it has spoiled me with its Bluetooth connectivity.
I mean they are two very different devices so it's not a good idea to compare them. His LP Mk2 was never gonna be a good replacement for the midi keyboard/sequencer. Unlike your LP X or the LP Pro, it has no velocity-sensitive keys, poly aftertouch, scale mode, standalone mode, and so on. Basically, it's just a clip launcher.
Yes, it can be useful in some setups, but to replace a keyboard with it?
Now, the LP X (or the LP Pro with its standalone mode) is a more interesting device, especially the Pro. Can be very useful (if it's your cup of tea) with or without a keyboard.
Hi! Still using Reason Intro. I use RRP inside other DAWs. It has everything I need except that high-dpi UI coming in Reason 12. I don't think I will be upgrading or subscribing (hate subscriptions), but who knows. I might upgrade later, if they add some new instruments to the package, or maybe even sell it
What version do you have: 10 or 11?
I believe I have version 10 Lite. Aside from a few sounds from Klang (which I saw Jelie from Kickback Couture ), I think I have a lot of what I need from Reason.
I might try the subscription for a few months but I don't really need a new DAW.
seonnthaproducer. Now iv completed. I think Id rather sell it and just buy a Euclidean sequencer/drum machine. Or just use my turntable for scratching, with an ipad or volca drum. Honestly wont need the launchpad if no proper Euclidean.
Before Intro 11, I had (and still have it in my account) Lite 10 as well, got it from Reason Compact. It had Thor and other instruments if I remember correctly, but obviously no Rack Plugin.
But when I check the comparison page for Reason 11 now, I can see that the Lite version of Reason 11 comes with only 4 basic instruments, no Thor, Europa, etc.
That's why I'm asking. Just curious which version you now get when signing up from Reason Compact. Should I keep recommending it to others or not? But I'm not curious enough to check it myself
Probably, it's still Reason 10 Lite
Haven't tested it either as I have a few projects in Reason Compact on both devices. I got mine a few months before the shift to Reason Rack. @klownshed mentioned that Reason Compact may not come with a desktop plugin
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/39850/ot-reason-lite-rack-plugin-free-with-any-purchase-at-pluginboutique
I wonder if this is part of the new business model. It wouldn't make sense for them to give a ton of their synths for free if they're trying to encourage the subscription model.
Talking about a cup of tea or coffee,
my most recent video shows me
warming up on the LP X.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/45735/32-step-drm-sequencer#latest
and I didn’t know that the LP mkii
isn’t velocity sensitive, that’s a pity.
If I had had that as my first launchpad
it would’ve put me off so I see even more why seonnthaproducer would put it
to one side.
Agreed the LP pro mkiii is an
interesting device for sure.
I noticed it’s inbuilt sequencer in
a demo video for an app which
inspired me to make my own one
for the LP X in dRambo.
I’ve done two versions so far.
A 16 step sequencer and a 32 step version.
@seonnthaproducer
No worries dude.
Yup Koala sampler + Drambo
would make for a good combination.
Yeah, I posted up a little jam with
my drum sequencer project and
the next one to do is a vid with the
live looper section and a guitar as
my drambo project has a looper
section as well.
So it’s a 32 step drum sequencer,
with 6 midi outs to trigger VS
and two synths and a 4 part live looper section.
This one is separate from
the Euclidean iii project.
Yeah, Gridinstrument is a hidden gem of an app for me. It was what helped me hold off on getting the Launchpad, and even after getting the Launchpad, it’ll still be used. I really like how straightforward it is, and how it keeps running in slide over view.
Agreed about Bluetooth connectivity. That’ll be the real game changer for a lot of other mini controllers out there as well. I tried using the UD-BT01 adapter but it still required a ton of configuration.
Hmm, not sure why. UD-BT01 was pretty much plug and play for me when attaching to Xkey Air and a couple other devices. Minimal configuration, can't even remember how it's different from using a device with built-in Bluetooth, for which the connection always has to be set up first (connection is not automatic). And once set up you can easily move the UD-BT01 between devices, a nice feature.
Interesting. So, the setup for bluetooth controllers is pretty similar to the UD-BT01? I thought apps like Korg Gadget would instantly recognize the Nanokey.
Yes, Bluetooth midi (i.e., BLE Midi) does not connect automatically for any Bluetooth midi devices on iOS. Bluetooth audio can auto connect, but not Bluetooth midi. Bluetooth midi connections are managed by individual apps, not the OS. Most hosts (e.g., AUM, AB, Apematrix, Cubasis) can initiate the connection from their menus, or there are standalone apps that can create the connection (e.g., midimittr). Once the connection is created you can use it from any app (including Korg Gadget, if Gadget doesn't itself have functionality to create the connection), and once you know how to do it, it takes just a few seconds to create. Can't remember, I think AUM will automatically recreate the connection if you reload a session that was using Bluetooth midi, other hosts may also restore connections if the Bluetooth device is discoverable upon restoring the session . . . .
Yeah, though I’d say more like comparing cucumbers to tomatoes is more fitting. The tomato is a berry, and the cucumber is a modified berry.
I had the old Launchpad Pro. It sounded like a good idea and I loved the polyAT concept. However it quickly became a device I never used. I sold it finally. Maybe if I did Ableton it would be nice to trigger and do the loop recording start/stop/etc. I really just need a keyboard and not the mini-keys, though I’d choose the Launchkey over the Launchpad for sure.
I saw that project, very impressive.
Don't wanna the inbuilt sequencer, I want to build it myself (probably not in Drambo).
That's what interests me the most. I'm not into finger drumming or playing notes and chords on a grid instrument like the LP, but I love step sequencers and I love building things
Still on the fence about it though. One part of me says "DO IT!", the other part says " you don't have time for this, you don't need another paperweight"
Thank you.
I hear you.
Clip launching can easily be done via
an iPad so it’s not that exciting for me.
Building stuff using software is.
I quite like the concept of finger drumming
so that’s something I’m going to be trying soonish as it’s much nicer to play drums
and percussive sounds using the pads rather than using a keyboard.
I play many different instruments
so my approach for a Launchpad is the same, “what can it do?”
I would like to be able to chords, melodies
and solo as easily as I can with a guitar
so it’s forcing me to think outside of the
box and it’s a challenge.
This sounds interesting.
‘DO IT’, you know you want to.
In all seriousness, if it’s for you then it’s for you, if it isn’t then you know what you need
even more.
@yug
I've just seen two examples of finger drumming.
Basic and very advanced.
Basic
Advanced
I think I'm going to start of with basic for now. 😁
@Gravitas
Ever check out araabmusik?