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iPad Pro 2021 live looping setup

BudBud
in General App Discussion

New to ipad world, longtime Desktop producer. Apologize in advance for my ignorance.

I've been using Wireless MIDI to control different sound sources (Korg, Synthmaster, etc) on the ipad and feeding them into Group The Loop. It's a blast. My RC-202 is jealous.

Now I want to hook my Roland Juno-DS keyboard audio into the iPad and join the fun. The Juno-DS has audio USB out as well as regular 1/4 inch stereo and headphone jacks, so i could source from any of these.

Naturally, i'll want keep zero latency for the monitoring of the iPad audio.

The multiple posts on these forums about interfaces make my head spin (meant as a compliment - great knowledge here). I just received a promotional email about the Roland "GO:MIXER PRO-X" and it seems tailor-made for want I want, with room to add microphones etc if i get ambitious. Any reaction? Alternatives? Does the Thunderbolt on the new iPad Pro matter? Like to keep the cost under $150.

Seems like I shouldn't be the only one searching for a solution.

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  • wimwim

    @Bud said:
    New to ipad world, longtime Desktop producer. Apologize in advance for my ignorance.

    I've been using Wireless MIDI to control different sound sources (Korg, Synthmaster, etc) on the ipad and feeding them into Group The Loop. It's a blast. My RC-202 is jealous.

    Now I want to hook my Roland Juno-DS keyboard audio into the iPad and join the fun. The Juno-DS has audio USB out as well as regular 1/4 inch stereo and headphone jacks, so i could source from any of these.

    Naturally, i'll want keep zero latency for the monitoring of the iPad audio.

    The multiple posts on these forums about interfaces make my head spin (meant as a compliment - great knowledge here). I just received a promotional email about the Roland "GO:MIXER PRO-X" and it seems tailor-made for want I want, with room to add microphones etc if i get ambitious. Any reaction? Alternatives? Does the Thunderbolt on the new iPad Pro matter? Like to keep the cost under $150.

    Seems like I shouldn't be the only one searching for a solution.

    The Juno-DS USB out is class compliant. So, if all you need is the audio out from the DS, all you may need is the appropriate USB - USBC adapter.

  • BudBud

    Thanks Wim. Unfortunately, I want the audio from the iPad as well since that is where the looper is. Bluetooth introduces delay so I can't use that to monitor the iPad.

    I've tried two different adapters:
    1) the Apple USB-C Digital AV multiport adapter. But that has no audio out, and daisy-chaining another USB adapter with audio did not seem to work.
    2) A [7-in-1 adapter] that has headphone jack, power, data, HDMI...that gets the audio out, but the iPad doesn't seem to see the Roland audio.

    Doesn't seem like an unusual use case. Ideas?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Bud said:
    Thanks Wim. Unfortunately, I want the audio from the iPad as well since that is where the looper is. Bluetooth introduces delay so I can't use that to monitor the iPad.

    I've tried two different adapters:
    1) the Apple USB-C Digital AV multiport adapter. But that has no audio out, and daisy-chaining another USB adapter with audio did not seem to work.
    2) A [7-in-1 adapter] that has headphone jack, power, data, HDMI...that gets the audio out, but the iPad doesn't seem to see the Roland audio.

    Doesn't seem like an unusual use case. Ideas?

    iOS only allows one audio interface to be active. If the Juno's USB is audio out only then you won't want to use its USB audio. You would get a standalone audio interface and connect the Juno's analog audio out to your audio interface.

    BUT if the Juno-DS functions like a normal USB interface, connect your headphones to the Juno to hear the iPad's output. Have you tried that?

  • mohermoher
    edited June 2021

    The steinberg UR44c is what I'm using for live looping and it works amazingly ! It has a DSP mixer with channel stripes, compressor and reverb that will give you a treated ready to use signal with zero latency. It has 6 inputs and a midi din connection.
    For 100€ more than the Roland I think it's a much better option that will give you room to expand your set up . + audio quality is excellent.
    And if you have an ipad pro you'll be able to buspower the UR44C.

  • BudBud

    Hi espiegel123, thanks for the idea -- but no sound just using the Juno with USB to the iPad and headphones from the Juno. The iPad doesn't recognize any connection -- it wants to use the iPad microphone input and built-in speakers for output. I've tried multiple USB connectors and also the AV multiport adapter.

    Digging through Roland stuff, this link makes it sound like the DS to iOS handshake is MIDI only:
    https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/208221823-Juno-DS61-Juno-DS88-Connecting-to-an-iOS-Device

    ...which is weird because it handles both audio and MIDI when connected to a PC or Mac. It was intro'd six years ago so maybe not that surprising.

    I'm guessing i'll need a true audio interface to make this fly. But i'll post back with anything i figure out.

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