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Is there any synth app that will morph between patches?

I’d like there to be but I can’t think of any. Anything available?

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  • Sugarbytes Factory?

  • Yonac's Kaspar has multiple synth engines and can morph between those using a built in XY pad, but I don't know of one that morphs between individual patches.

  • Yes, Drambo. You can store up to 16 presets on the scene pads and seamlessly morph between any two of them using the built-in or a MIDI crossfader/modwheel etc.

  • Not exactly between presets - but Sunrizer synth has a morph thing where you can morph between 2 different sets of parameters.

  • Alchemy – Thanks Apple 😒

    SERIOUSLY KASPAR (Yonac) from the app page:

    Morphing

    • 4 morph groups with onscreen control pad

    • Automorphing: simply draw a figure on the pad and KASPAR automatically tracks it

    • Modulate the morph using the x- and y-controls

    • 6 automorph trigger modes

    • 4 automorph looping modes

    • Adjustable, beat-syncable pathread & modulation speeds

  • edited July 2021

    A Mozaic script theoretically could do that for some synths. It may already exist.

  • Mood, Stria, iVCS3, iPulsaret

  • wimwim
    edited July 2021

    @auxmux said:
    A Mozaic script theoretically could do that for some synths. It may already exist.

    A Mozaic script can't morph between patches (saved presets in a synth). But MIDI Morph Pad 2, can morph between saved sets of controls that can be mapped to any synth parameters you like.

  • heshes
    edited July 2021

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it, there are two kinds of "morphing". One is a simple crossfade between patches or (I think) layers, one patch's volume goes down while another's goes up. In that case there is no actual change of either patch, just changes to the mix. The other kind is when all the parameter settings in one patch are continuously swept to the corresponding setting values in another patch. Or could be a single patch defined with two different states. Arturia Polybrute uses this method of morphing, not sure which other synths do also, looks like Wim's Midi Morph Pad 2 uses this concept.

  • @robosardine said:
    I’d like there to be but I can’t think of any. Anything available?

    Cube Synth Pro

  • @hes said:
    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it, there are two kinds of "morphing". One is a simple crossfade between patches or (I think) layers, one patch's volume goes down while another's goes up. In that case there is no actual change of either patch, just changes to the mix. The other kind is when all the parameter settings in one patch are continuously swept to the corresponding setting values in another patch. Or could be a single patch defined with two different states. Arturia Polybrute uses this method of morphing, not sure which other synths do also, looks like Wim's Midi Morph Pad 2 uses this concept.

    Kaspar, Drambo, Animoog, Continua, Aparillo, Factory, EvolverFX?

    There are not many options (if any other than Drambo) I’m aware of that allow morphing between separate patches, but there are synths that have extensive morphing between states within patches.

    Kaspar in particular has 8 single oscillator layers that can be set up completely differently and morphed between. It and Continua are capable of some crazy one key patches though I’m far from an expert in programming either of them.

  • @hes I wouldn't count crossfading as morphing.
    In Drambo, the scene crossfader goes far beyond that: Along the way you're moving it, it will seamlessly turn all knobs from stored position A to stored position B with very fine increments in between.

  • @ronnieb said:
    Sugarbytes Factory?

    +1

  • Note that Drambo’s crossfader also works for morphing AU params

  • @audiblevideo said:
    Alchemy – Thanks Apple 😒

    Yeah... Alchemy was my first option too
    Too bad I can't even have it on GB because of my device (iPad Mini 2)
    You suck, Apple!

    Good thing I have an older device that needs repair with ios 9 and the good ol' alchemy 😂

    Sorry. got sidetracked

  • @rs2000 said:
    @hes I wouldn't count crossfading as morphing.
    In Drambo, the scene crossfader goes far beyond that: Along the way you're moving it, it will seamlessly turn all knobs from stored position A to stored position B with very fine increments in between.

    I didn’t realize that. That’s very cool

  • Not a synth app, but ApeFilter can morph between four presets.

  • Pure piano

  • Synthsphere

    Yamaha FM

  • @hes said:
    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it, there are two kinds of "morphing". One is a simple crossfade between patches or (I think) layers, one patch's volume goes down while another's goes up. In that case there is no actual change of either patch, just changes to the mix. The other kind is when all the parameter settings in one patch are continuously swept to the corresponding setting values in another patch. Or could be a single patch defined with two different states. Arturia Polybrute uses this method of morphing, not sure which other synths do also, looks like Wim's Midi Morph Pad 2 uses this concept.

    Yes, I was meaning morphing between patch parameters as opposed to crossfading.
    Thanks for all the replies so far. I had no idea that there would be so many options to explore. Anyone using this feature much with their music making? I’m hoping that morphing between two patches x2 (on two separate tracks) will produce some interesting happy accident type results whilst jamming live.

  • @robosardine said:

    @hes said:
    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it, there are two kinds of "morphing". One is a simple crossfade between patches or (I think) layers, one patch's volume goes down while another's goes up. In that case there is no actual change of either patch, just changes to the mix. The other kind is when all the parameter settings in one patch are continuously swept to the corresponding setting values in another patch. Or could be a single patch defined with two different states. Arturia Polybrute uses this method of morphing, not sure which other synths do also, looks like Wim's Midi Morph Pad 2 uses this concept.

    Yes, I was meaning morphing between patch parameters as opposed to crossfading.
    Thanks for all the replies so far. I had no idea that there would be so many options to explore. Anyone using this feature much with their music making? I’m hoping that morphing between two patches x2 (on two separate tracks) will produce some interesting happy accident type results whilst jamming live.

    I'm not using it very often but given that it's such a great creative tool, I should use it more!
    In Drambo, morphing can also include pitch bends to different notes or even scales which is an insane live jam booster.

  • edited July 2021

    @rs2000 said:
    @hes I wouldn't count crossfading as morphing.
    In Drambo, the scene crossfader goes far beyond that: Along the way you're moving it, it will seamlessly turn all knobs from stored position A to stored position B with very fine increments in between.

    +1. You could even expose 16 AU parameters of your favorite AUv3 synth or effect and morph between those, so it's not just limited to Drambo modules.

  • I'm not clear on the different methods of morphing. Can any one elaborate? I understand that Zynaptiq Morph does some kind of special morphing by breaking down the sound and morphing using the basic sonic components or something. Or maybe it morphs in the spectral domain, not sure but it sounds superior but is also harder to control. At least this is my impression.

  • edited July 2021

    @gkillmaster said:
    I'm not clear on the different methods of morphing. Can any one elaborate? I understand that Zynaptiq Morph does some kind of special morphing by breaking down the sound and morphing using the basic sonic components or something. Or maybe it morphs in the spectral domain, not sure but it sounds superior but is also harder to control. At least this is my impression.

    You can think of it like having 2 different presets that you like. And then for every parameter value that is different between those 2 presets (cutoff at 40% vs cutoff at 90%, etc), there are dozens and dozens of little fingers all turning those knobs simultaneously so that preset 1 smoothly morphs into preset 2. That would be parameter morphing. I'm not sure if there are any synths that do spectral morphing, like the same concept of parameter morphing, but morphing between 2 audio files, down to their smallest samples (I guess that's what Zynaptiq Morph does?)

  • @aleyas said:

    @gkillmaster said:
    I'm not clear on the different methods of morphing. Can any one elaborate? I understand that Zynaptiq Morph does some kind of special morphing by breaking down the sound and morphing using the basic sonic components or something. Or maybe it morphs in the spectral domain, not sure but it sounds superior but is also harder to control. At least this is my impression.

    You can think of it like having 2 different presets that you like. And then for every parameter value that is different between those 2 presets (cutoff at 40% vs cutoff at 90%, etc), there are dozens and dozens of little fingers all turning those knobs simultaneously so that preset 1 smoothly morphs into preset 2. That would be parameter morphing. I'm not sure if there are any synths that do spectral morphing, like the same concept of parameter morphing, but morphing between 2 audio files, down to their smallest samples (I guess that's what Zynaptiq Morph does?)

    I was reading on the Zynaptiq site and it sounds like it offers various algorithms for morphing, one of the main one being formant shifting. I used it to merge a saxophone with a baby crying and it was phenomenal (and almost too creepy to listen to). Here's what they say on their site:

    "Because of its pretty-much-one-control approach, using MORPH is a breeze. That said, it does some very heavy mathematical lifting under the hood. While the term "audio morphing" is widely used, what it typically describes is a simple interpolation of parameter values or spectral data. MORPH takes an entirely different approach, which is both mathematically a lot more complex and at the same time gives totally unique results. As an analogy, it creates wire-frame models for the two inputs in real-time, and then shapes one model to become the other – transforming one sound into the other structurally. Talk about sound transformation power at your fingertips..."

    I just think it would be great if there were a way to merge two presets using a similar technique. It really does sound and feel totally different than crossfading.

  • @gkillmaster said:

    @aleyas said:

    @gkillmaster said:
    I'm not clear on the different methods of morphing. Can any one elaborate? I understand that Zynaptiq Morph does some kind of special morphing by breaking down the sound and morphing using the basic sonic components or something. Or maybe it morphs in the spectral domain, not sure but it sounds superior but is also harder to control. At least this is my impression.

    You can think of it like having 2 different presets that you like. And then for every parameter value that is different between those 2 presets (cutoff at 40% vs cutoff at 90%, etc), there are dozens and dozens of little fingers all turning those knobs simultaneously so that preset 1 smoothly morphs into preset 2. That would be parameter morphing. I'm not sure if there are any synths that do spectral morphing, like the same concept of parameter morphing, but morphing between 2 audio files, down to their smallest samples (I guess that's what Zynaptiq Morph does?)

    I was reading on the Zynaptiq site and it sounds like it offers various algorithms for morphing, one of the main one being formant shifting. I used it to merge a saxophone with a baby crying and it was phenomenal (and almost too creepy to listen to). Here's what they say on their site:

    "Because of its pretty-much-one-control approach, using MORPH is a breeze. That said, it does some very heavy mathematical lifting under the hood. While the term "audio morphing" is widely used, what it typically describes is a simple interpolation of parameter values or spectral data. MORPH takes an entirely different approach, which is both mathematically a lot more complex and at the same time gives totally unique results. As an analogy, it creates wire-frame models for the two inputs in real-time, and then shapes one model to become the other – transforming one sound into the other structurally. Talk about sound transformation power at your fingertips..."

    I just think it would be great if there were a way to merge two presets using a similar technique. It really does sound and feel totally different than crossfading.

    Zynaptiq Morph works on audio material and although it may produce interesting results, it is always a lossy process.
    The OP was about morphing at the source where the sound is generated, by directly accessing synthesis parameters and thereby avoiding artifacts.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @aleyas said:

    @gkillmaster said:
    I'm not clear on the different methods of morphing. Can any one elaborate? I understand that Zynaptiq Morph does some kind of special morphing by breaking down the sound and morphing using the basic sonic components or something. Or maybe it morphs in the spectral domain, not sure but it sounds superior but is also harder to control. At least this is my impression.

    You can think of it like having 2 different presets that you like. And then for every parameter value that is different between those 2 presets (cutoff at 40% vs cutoff at 90%, etc), there are dozens and dozens of little fingers all turning those knobs simultaneously so that preset 1 smoothly morphs into preset 2. That would be parameter morphing. I'm not sure if there are any synths that do spectral morphing, like the same concept of parameter morphing, but morphing between 2 audio files, down to their smallest samples (I guess that's what Zynaptiq Morph does?)

    I was reading on the Zynaptiq site and it sounds like it offers various algorithms for morphing, one of the main one being formant shifting. I used it to merge a saxophone with a baby crying and it was phenomenal (and almost too creepy to listen to). Here's what they say on their site:

    "Because of its pretty-much-one-control approach, using MORPH is a breeze. That said, it does some very heavy mathematical lifting under the hood. While the term "audio morphing" is widely used, what it typically describes is a simple interpolation of parameter values or spectral data. MORPH takes an entirely different approach, which is both mathematically a lot more complex and at the same time gives totally unique results. As an analogy, it creates wire-frame models for the two inputs in real-time, and then shapes one model to become the other – transforming one sound into the other structurally. Talk about sound transformation power at your fingertips..."

    I just think it would be great if there were a way to merge two presets using a similar technique. It really does sound and feel totally different than crossfading.

    Zynaptiq Morph works on audio material and although it may produce interesting results, it is always a lossy process.
    The OP was about morphing at the source where the sound is generated, by directly accessing synthesis parameters and thereby avoiding artifacts.

    I see, thanks for the clarification. I would love to see an IOS audio morph app that is intuitive to use as well.

  • edited July 2021

    @gkillmaster said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @aleyas said:

    @gkillmaster said:
    I'm not clear on the different methods of morphing. Can any one elaborate? I understand that Zynaptiq Morph does some kind of special morphing by breaking down the sound and morphing using the basic sonic components or something. Or maybe it morphs in the spectral domain, not sure but it sounds superior but is also harder to control. At least this is my impression.

    You can think of it like having 2 different presets that you like. And then for every parameter value that is different between those 2 presets (cutoff at 40% vs cutoff at 90%, etc), there are dozens and dozens of little fingers all turning those knobs simultaneously so that preset 1 smoothly morphs into preset 2. That would be parameter morphing. I'm not sure if there are any synths that do spectral morphing, like the same concept of parameter morphing, but morphing between 2 audio files, down to their smallest samples (I guess that's what Zynaptiq Morph does?)

    I was reading on the Zynaptiq site and it sounds like it offers various algorithms for morphing, one of the main one being formant shifting. I used it to merge a saxophone with a baby crying and it was phenomenal (and almost too creepy to listen to). Here's what they say on their site:

    "Because of its pretty-much-one-control approach, using MORPH is a breeze. That said, it does some very heavy mathematical lifting under the hood. While the term "audio morphing" is widely used, what it typically describes is a simple interpolation of parameter values or spectral data. MORPH takes an entirely different approach, which is both mathematically a lot more complex and at the same time gives totally unique results. As an analogy, it creates wire-frame models for the two inputs in real-time, and then shapes one model to become the other – transforming one sound into the other structurally. Talk about sound transformation power at your fingertips..."

    I just think it would be great if there were a way to merge two presets using a similar technique. It really does sound and feel totally different than crossfading.

    Zynaptiq Morph works on audio material and although it may produce interesting results, it is always a lossy process.
    The OP was about morphing at the source where the sound is generated, by directly accessing synthesis parameters and thereby avoiding artifacts.

    I see, thanks for the clarification. I would love to see an IOS audio morph app that is intuitive to use as well.

    👍🏻

    Spectral processors are planned for Drambo. miRack probably has something on board as well, worth a look maybe?

  • It's been hinted at, but just to make it explicit: all apeSoft and Amazing Noises apps have this feature. They call it the 'Snapshot Pad', which is an XY pad with a preset in each corner.
    https://apps.apple.com/us/developer/apesoft/id464660782
    https://apps.apple.com/us/developer/amazing-noises/id903336421

  • Yup Drambo’s so fun for morphing AU/Native params! Can take it as far as having totally different song sections (songs??) on either side of the morph 🤪

    Recent nonsense noodle just morphing bunch of delay and pitch settings etc -

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