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I don't understand the logic behind the argument that charging for MIDI in Auria is somehow inappropriate or unfair. Auria was designed as an audio multi-tracker, and was only ever advertised as such (in fact, that's why I held off from buying it for so long). While Rim might have mentioned that they were working on MIDI, when you buy an app, or really any software, you buy it "as-is" (for better or for worse). We're fortunate that the iOS developers respected by the community members on this site continue to support their apps by fixing bugs and improving the app.
Classifying the MIDI upgrade as "just an improvement" would be a disservice to Wave Machine Labs (or any developer that makes the effort to add a major feature). I think the expectation that the addition of MIDI in Auria should be free is symptomatic of iOS apps being "cheap" and us, the users/musicians, not valuing software as much as we really should. Clearly, the amount of effort required to add MIDI to Auria is substantial, and the developers of Wave Machine Labs should be compensated for that effort. And let's remember that their market (at this point) is still quite small - a niche in a niche in a hole in the wall.
Every time I use iOS for something music or production related, I'm astounded at what the developers have accomplished, and can only wait in anticipation to see what the future will bring. But getting there costs money.
Oh, believe me @Trueyorky, I know there are those of us current users that DO very much want or need MIDI... I am one of those people. MIDI is essential to my workflow and process in whole, so I've been waiting for this too. And I feel you on Auria having cost a load already, having also now bought nearly every last plugin and add-on. It's been a very pricey investment considering that for me, without MIDI, Auria is more of a tool on the side rather than the central hub of my iOS music making. That will change the minute Auria gets the MIDI update, and sure, I and others will happily pay a fair $5-10 to add the functionality... but beyond that I think we'll feel a bit gouged, especially when, as you've said, elsewhere it comes free... which is why I stand by my thinking that the great majority of people sitting on the fence between Cubasis and Auria will head right to Cubasis if the MIDI update for Auria comes at a hefty price.
And don't get me wrong @papertiger, I think you make some great points, and I agree. Most of us I think are happy to pay a fair amount for new features etc. I think that ultimately it is the fault of Apple and the way the app store is with its lack of sales/upgrade functions for the devs to use... so we are stuck without the normal upgrade paths we are accustomed to with our desktop software.
@OmnilimbO said:
I'm in the same boat -- huge MIDI person. So I always sit down with Cubasis...then miss the Fabfilter plugs I've purchased in Auria. It's a no win. boohoo! ;-)
I wonder if FabFilter have thought about iOS-izing their plugs for AB/IAA...
@papertiger said:
Oh man, do I pray for the day the FabFilter plugs join WOW and Turnado as Plug-in/Standalone apps. Utter glorious day that would be.
@OmnilimbO said:
Yeah, it's a total drag. My pet theory is that Apple knew that musicians would want to exploit iOS for their own purposes but since we are a minority it's not a priority. That's why seeing commercials where any music app is mentioned or shown gives me hope that they will see the potential upside to making audio and MIDI function more like they do in OSX. (Weren't OSX and iOS supposed to be converging...?). Perhaps then the sale/upgrade/framework will follow...
@OmnilimbO said:
It's curious to me that it hasn't happened, especially since they already work inside Auria. I can't imagine that there is an exclusivity agreement between FabFilter and Wave Machine Labs, but who knows.
@papertiger said:
This is why I think the economics of the situation is pretty interesting. Does Rim (or any developer) stand to make more money by charging for major updates as an IAP, or does keeping the cost low while rolling out new features attract more customers in the long run? Someone might only buy Cubasis over Auria specifically because they know there's no IAP and now Rim is out a customer.
The is basically the general discussion of whether apps don't cost enough considering the developers time dedicated to making and updating it. But I think of something like Loopy going viral on the Tonight Show and selling 80 billion downloads, if it had cost more @Michael might've lost a few billion, costing him revenue and possibly his membership at the country club.
Do you make more selling for less or charging more and having less customers? I know my app collection would be a lot smaller if these apps cost more, and by default, I think my interest in iOS music would be a lot lower leading to less sales all around. A developer has to find that perfect balance.
@CSwinn said:
Amen. And I don't envy them one bit.
@CSwinn said:
I have the opposite feeling, but I think it's because I want the apps I've purchased to work together, and many of them just don't play well with others. I need a spreadsheet just to keep track of what will work together. :P
The few apps that I've had genuinely only positive experiences with keep me coming back, though. It's so easy to drop $5 on an app (most people I know spend more than that on coffee every day) that I've accumulated so many apps I had hopes for, only to be disappointed. (Of course, that's my fault!)
@Trueyorky said:
And who exactly forced you to buy all the extra plugins? ;-) Plugins that cost a fraction of their desktop counterparts...just sayin.
Auria itself cost 50 bucks and it's more than worth the asking price,Midi or not.I'll drop some extra bucks for midi without a problem.How much can it be anyway?10 bucks?I don't expect it to be more expensive.But i can imagine rim would offer some basic instruments as well (like cubasis etc.),may it inlcluded in the midi update or (better ones)as more iAPs.Like the basic reverb versus the more advanced one.Whatever it will be,rim is not doing half baked solutions and i'm happy about that.
Saying Auria should have MIDI as standard because other iDAWs do is like saying Cubasis should have PSP Audio developed Channel Strips, the IO Matrix and access to FabFilter Plugins because Auria does.
Auria sold itself on what it has currently, which is an awful lot, and has updated pretty regularly since release. For free.
The discussion about new users and price points is definitely interesting though.
I'm guessing the IAP will be $19.99. The cost of Meteor's MIDI + Instruments IAPs are $18.
...and I willingly (unforced) paid for the Meteor MIDI IAP as I did the Alchemy pro IAP and no doubt I will buy the Auria one too. I am still blown away by the quality on offer with Auria and especially with the FabFilter plugins. I remember upgrading from my iPad 1 just because of what Auria had to offer. All I am saying is that of the several thousand pounds I have invested in music apps, a big slice of that has gone to WML and having spent such a significant amount on one app I will question future IAP's especially when many other apps continue to be developed without them.
@papertiger said:
Rim said on his forums that the plug in integration is basically just a VST wrapper he built into Auria. If Fabfiter wanted to release standalone versions, I'm guessing they'd need to developer their own method for doing so.
Didn't Audiobus recently have an IAP in its upgrade to AB2? I think we all paid it and were as happy as we could be. I'm more than willing to give Rim the respect he deserves for coming up with at least a choice for those of us who want to pay/not pay and have MIDI/not have MIDI. Some apps focus more on getting money and some focus more on value, just like we do. I think Auria is a super-strong value. I own Cubasis too, and if Auria gets MIDI implementation at the same quality as the rest of the app, it will have the best MIDI on IOS. Either way it looks like the days of recording MIDI in Cubasis and mixing in Auria are over, since both apps are going to be able to do both. It's really just a great time for IOS recording, IAPs or not.
I think it is too early to judge if I need MIDI in Auria. Wait to see what Auria will bring to us. If it is something like in Beatmaker, I have zero interesting, even if it is cheap IAP. I am not saying MIDI in BM is bad, they made it as good as iOS allowed. But it is little screen of iPad we are talking about. For years of using big screen of Macbook/PC, I don't think any DAW on iOS could satisfy musicians on the same level.
Even on computers , some people still feel their screen is not big enough, so they use two or three monitors.
iPad is good enough for audio recording, editing and processing. But MIDI is much more complicated. It involves not only MIDI itself but virtual instruments. That is why I don't like BM, it has it all, but in a chaotic manner.
@logictree said:
I completely disagree with what you said.. Ipad is perfectly suited to editing midi and I'm one of those people who use 3 monitors when using Cubase 7.. The problem is the way midi editing is implemented. Absolutely ridiculous to say midi is too complicated for an ipad.. Seriously
I think that BM (and NS) have the best midi implementation on iOS so far, very friendly and fast. If Auria did midi in a similar way and included both keyboard and drum samplers that are user-programmable (very important to me) I would switch over to Auria as my main DAW in a heartbeat. I think that many people would, provided that it was stable.
Also, IAP for midi and other features is a non-issue for me at this price point. I'm just happy that they exist on this platform and will always be happy to pay the very reasonable prices for a quality product
I still plan on using BM as my sample chopping drum machine...and Auria as my multitracker.
Auria 1.150 is updated now. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/auria/id524122834?mt=8