Why This Additive Formula?

LinearLineman

@TheOriginalPaulB, yes, you can adjust by semitones on both right and left, I believe.

TheOriginalPaulB

Just found it, it was obscured by the menu, which I didn’t manage to hide.

McD

Is there anyway we can shift this thread to crypto-currency?

Fugue Machine seems "algorithmic" = using a computational procedure.

Unlike Fugue, canon, rounds, etc there's no specific intention to provide traditional
harmonic alignment between voices/parts. Just the intellectual concept of reusing
the intervals of some melodic fragment: reversed, 1/2 speed, etc. or just offset (which is the closest idea to the traditional fugue... the 2nd voice enters after a precise time slice.

In that sense it functions as an "additive" approach to structuring some music.

mjcouche

Let’s talk smart contracts.

MrStochastic

I’m not sure what this is about exactly but I'm worried that I’m doing it and @LinearLineman will frown upon it.

McD

@mjcouche said:
Let’s talk smart contracts.

or decentralized finance?

McD

If want to make this an epic thread let's go "Additive".

Someone post a simple one part wave file and someone can add it and someone can add to it...

or

Many can post a simple one part wave file and many can add them and many can add to them...

Epic. Community Composting. [sic] Spelling intended. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

LinearLineman

@Stochastically said:
I’m not sure what this is about exactly but I'm worried that I’m doing it and @LinearLineman will frown upon it.

If only my exwife gf worried about what I thought.

McD

@LinearLineman said:

@Stochastically said:
I’m not sure what this is about exactly but I'm worried that I’m doing it and @LinearLineman will frown upon it.

If only my exwife gf worried about what I thought.

We all live in fear of your caustic wit. But a frown can't hurt on a forum, right?
You generally are kind even when you probably have more violent responses.
But most random YouTube video tend to bring out your critical side. How about this?

Additive or Exponential?

I think it takes the concepts of funk/fusion and pushes the BPM into overdrive.
It fits in with the general YouTube celebration of "chops" or technical mastery over all.
A steady diet of this type of performance tends to leave me a bit numb.

"Too many notes." advises (the dramatization of) Salieri in "Amadeus".
For some, that's the point. More Notes!

McD

Add to this:

“You are not allowed to upload files to this category.”

Hmm… I’ll try in “Creations”. That works. The Forum made me fork off.

LinearLineman

@McD said:

@LinearLineman said:

@Stochastically said:
I’m not sure what this is about exactly but I'm worried that I’m doing it and @LinearLineman will frown upon it.

If only my exwife gf worried about what I thought.

We all live in fear of your caustic wit. But a frown can't hurt on a forum, right?
You generally are kind even when you probably have more violent responses.
But most random YouTube video tend to bring out your critical side. How about this?

Additive or Exponential?

I think it takes the concepts of funk/fusion and pushes the BPM into overdrive.
It fits in with the general YouTube celebration of "chops" or technical mastery over all.
A steady diet of this type of performance tends to leave me a bit numb.

"Too many notes." advises (the dramatization of) Salieri in "Amadeus".
For some, that's the point. More Notes!

This is not what I am talking about at all. 😒☹️😠😡🤬😎😉

McD

@LinearLineman said:
This is not what I am talking about at all. 😒☹️😠😡🤬😎😉

I just added a Youtube video to stimulate conversation... OT.
Can you (or anyone) post a good Additive YouTube or Vimeo example?

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JeffChasteen

@McD said:

@LinearLineman said:
I had forgotten about Bolero. That’s a great example. I had never considered the sexual implications, but yeah, it certainly feels that way when I think about it.

There's a rom-com called "10" starring Bo Derrick where Bolero is feature prominently
as a suitable piece for coitus. It's 14 minutes and 45 seconds long on a typical recording.
There's an infamous recording where the orchestra jumps from the 1 minute period to the very end and then leaves the stage in disgrace and humiliation. It's rumored some of the
female musicians stayed on stage and comforted each other. Go figure. I can find no Google references to this event.

@McD said:

@LinearLineman said:
I had forgotten about Bolero. That’s a great example. I had never considered the sexual implications, but yeah, it certainly feels that way when I think about it.

There's a rom-com called "10" starring Bo Derrick where Bolero is feature prominently
as a suitable piece for coitus. It's 14 minutes and 45 seconds long on a typical recording.
There's an infamous recording where the orchestra jumps from the 1 minute period to the very end and then leaves the stage in disgrace and humiliation. It's rumored some of the
female musicians stayed on stage and comforted each other. Go figure. I can find no Google references to this event.

🤣

jwmmakerofmusic

@LinearLineman said:
Adding one musical element at a time is an effective way to sustain interest and build complexity. For my personal tastes, however, this technique, like anything else overused, has lost some of it’s charm. When did this technique arise? We don’t find it much in “serious” or pop music, I think. I, of course, use it myself... I hope not too frequently. However, even when I do, it is a kind of “stick this in” technique which, I don’t think, has much freshness left to inspire.

What other techniques do you use to sustain interest?

Well my work in Minimal Electro genres has led to some interesting techniques. In Minimalism, I do use the "add/subtract one musical element at a time" technique, but usually very slowly and gradually evolving in and/or out over a longer space of time, with sometimes two elements coming in simultaneously but at different intervals while another element fades out.

Another technique to sustain interest in Minimal are polymeters. Writing a melody in one meter while having a hi hat loop in a different meter, etc. And yet another technique if you're into sound design is tweaking the timbres of various synthesised instruments, the adsr envelopes of synthesised drums, adjusting the reverb size and time, adding dynamics through volume level automation, etc.

While a lot of these techniques are based in Minimal Techno, there may be creative ways to port them over to traditional instruments. Your imagination is the limit.

PhilW

A key technique I would recommend to sustain interest is - DON’T JUST LAYER LOOPS! For hundreds of years, music has been written in different sections, so that when there is a danger of becoming a bit bored with one theme, a new one comes along to add interest. Then maybe a bit later, the first theme comes back, leading to a nice recognition from the listener, like greeting an old friend! The form that will be most familiar will be the verse/chorus of pop songs, but even with them, there are often additional little sections, such as a bridge (additional section before the chorus comes in), an instrumental break, an intro or outro, etc. Just building on a looping theme has it’s place, but it’s far from the only form available!

GrimLucky

There's an infamous recording where the orchestra jumps from the 1 minute period to the very end and then leaves the stage in disgrace and humiliation. It's rumored some of the
female musicians stayed on stage and comforted each > > There's an infamous recording where the orchestra jumps from the 1 minute period to the very end and then leaves the stage in disgrace and humiliation. It's rumored some of the
female musicians stayed on stage and comforted each other. Go figure. I can find no Google references to this event.

🤣

1 minute? I presume they were including the taxi ride home.

jonmoore

For a more contempory view, it’s also worth looking at the influence of the repetitive structures of groove based music that started with jazz, ska and rocksteady in the 50’s and and took an equally leftfield turn in the late 60’s early 70’s. Be it Krautrock, psych-rock, James Brown, Fella Kuti, Northern Soul or the never ending influence of disco; the modern themes of electronic dance music (pray don’t use the collective noun EDM) that started with Kraftwerk and Moroder, and mutated through the synth underground of the early eighties (be that in the industrial midlands of Sheffield or equally in Detroit, Chicago & New York), came to a thundering crescendo with the house/techno/breakbeat revolution of the mid to late 80’s. There’s a power in that repetive beat when combined with subtle twisting undulating modulations. It’s all to too easy to write it off as music for the chemical generations, there’s far too many creative tributarys that have spun out of those Krautrock journeys in rhythm. The vast range of groove based music that glories in additive repetitve structures is so diverse it’s hard to dismiss.

Obviously, you’re getting these views from a DJ/Producer who started DJing in the early eighties and who still DJ’s on a regular basis all these years later. My bag is the diversity of groove based music, I specialise in joining the dots between a wide variety of genres that are all linked by their groove based foundations. I’ve embedded a recent mix, which isn’t ‘additive repetive structures’ throughout but more than half of the selection glory in that particular theme (and for my money, still manage to ooze soul). Give it a listen, hopefully they’ll be an repetitive additive number of two to tickle your fancy.