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iConnectMidi 4+ Aggregate Audio
Hi,
I plan to buy an iConnectMidi 4+ but I need to know how Audio Interfaces are compatible with it.
I think to buy an Apollo Twin or an Apogee Quartet.
Can you say me what is your experiences with your Audio Interface?
Thanks
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I've heard there is a work around so you can use an interface with it but I haven't tried. I don't think they intended them to be compatible. There is a iconnectaudio coming out this summer. I think it was Jesse with @sonosaurus that figured out the workaround. X
I don't like to listen my audio from own devices interface, too much noise in my studio monitors...
You can't plug a USB audio interface into the iConnectMidi4+ (nor from a hub off its host port), but you can use a camera connection kit (CCK) on your iPad connected to a hub, that you then plug the audio interface into, as well as the iConnect. You then disable the audio passthrough feature in the configuration on the iConnect, and it becomes just a midi device. Your iPad cannot be charged this way, but all other features of both devices work fine.
Just looked at your discussion's title, and maybe you were really asking how the iConnectMIDI4+ audio and another USB audio device work together on your Mac, for passthrough purposes? Any other audio device should work fine, when you make an Aggregate device that combines them, you can easily set up a software monitoring route in your DAW or in a utility such as AU Lab to monitor the iPad's output through passthrough. Keep the buffer size low to minimize latency, as usual.
@sonosaurus what Interface do you use?
I need to know how works and how not...
Thanks
@Sinapsya, can you clarify your question? Are you talking about aggregate audio device use on a Mac?
I have tested it with both a Presonus Firebox (firewire), and a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 (USB), and both seem to work fine when aggregated with the iConnectMIDI4+ on a Mac running Mavericks.
@sonosaurus yes, I have my audio on my mac go through my audio interface and I want connect iConnectMidi for my iPad + iPhone.
I ask this because my audio interface don't work as aggregate and I need to buy new one and before I won to know how works...
I like to know if Apollo interfaces works.
Your Presonus work at 24bit 96khz??
Thanks
What do you have now that doesn't work?
I only usually use 44.1/24, never tested 96.
I have a Digidesign M-box and a Novation X-Station, try to make an Aggregate and my MacosX Mavericks crash :-(
Hi all, when you "pair" your iConnectMIDI2+ or iConnectMIDI4+ to your windows system using (ASIO4ALL) or an (Aggregate Device) when using Mac, you will then be able to choose one piece of hardware in your DAW - while being able to use the inputs and outputs of your desired interface/sound card and the 'Audio PassThru' streams from your iOS devices and/or computer. If you are using a interface that has its own ASIO driver written from the manufacture, you may want to check with them on Aggregate support. Some drivers will not support this type of "hardware pairing". Class-compliant device will play nice together.
Hi Everyone! I am in a similar situation however looking to ideally leave out the MacBook and just work with the iPad and other iDevices (iPhone 5 and older 3GS) for a flexible & reliable live performance looping rig. I currently have a full looping rig based on hardware pedals (RC300 and TC VL2, etc.) but really am ready to shed the weight and limitations and fully step into the new technology.
@sonosaurus and @Josh_iConnectivity can either of you tell me if there is a way or ideal way to setup this kind of a performance rig. My equipment includes the new iConnect4+ along with a Focusrite 18i8 (need the preamps as I play and loop several live instruments) along with SoftStep2 for hands free control, Apple Lightning-USB Camera Kit, iPad Air, iPhone5 & 3GS and generic powered USB hub (7ports).
If your earlier comment above Sonosaurus is true, then I really lose the functionality of the audio pass thru of the iConnect4+ which is the whole reason I got it - would love to be able to include audio streams from other idevices in the setup and have midi communicate through all devices. From my understanding the Focusrite 18i8 is class compliant so as Josh pointed out above, it should all play nice together... the question is how??
Any suggestions for routing, work-arounds or if it's just not possible with current technology (though it seems I should have everything to get up and running) is greatly appreciated.
Kind Regards~
Where did everyone go? Can anyone share on this? Thanks
Ok, if you want to use your 18i8 with your iPad, you won't be able to use passthrough with the 4+, correct. You also won't get charge/power for the iPad either.
Your best bet is the following hardware setup:
Thank you for the reply @sonosaurus! I set it up as you described except I don't see the benefit of the ICM4+ now other than midi control with other iDevices. Seems like a waste to not be able to use the audio pass thru nor even ablility to charge devices which prompted purchasing it to begin with. @Josh_iConnectivity any chance this ability will be added in a future firmware update of the iConnect 4+?
I would think allot of folks here would want to use the iConnect 4+ with other quality usb audio interfaces.
For anyone else happening on this thread, I can confirm the Scarlett 18i8 is a solid interface for use with iPad (air) and that the Softstep2 is also an excellent controller. The only problem I am having aside from those stated above is a bug I hope can be fixed when calibrating the Softstep2 via it's advanced editor. The expression pedal that can be plugged into it seems to keep sending controller messages even when not being used. (i.e. I had created midi bindings within Loopy HD to control the volume level of selected tracks, but it keeps changing the volume ever so slightly inhibiting other track controls).
If anyone has other possible setups/workarounds for integrating the iConnect 4+, iPad and USB interfaces, please share. Thanks again sonosaurus for the detailed response.
@pandeiroman
You can use the iConnectMIDI4+ as a standalone MIDI routing device - without a computer. You can set up iOS devices to play audio from their headphone output using iConfig if you wish. Once your MIDI routing is configured, you can flash the hardware so that the next time it's powered on the settings will recall. The 'Audio passThru' streams would needs another computer or iOS device in the live rig - otherwise the audio will come straight out of the iPad. You can get the Apple CCK involved, but it does loose the iOS charging feature as @sonosaurus described. Unfortunately, the 'host port' on the iConnectMIDI4+ will not support class compliant AUDIO - which seems to be the feature you are looking for.
^ that's a shame! otherwise iConnectivity would already have my money. I need to charge the iPad and be able to run audio out via a stereo connection.
@Accent said:
Like I've been saying. This was your guys' original design. Understood that it had to be dropped, but this is where the 4+ falls thismuchshort. Like I said elsewhere, I would gladly pay more $ and guarantee that I wouldn't mind a wall wart, in exchange for a host port. Sounds like more than a few agree.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=756310187724763&id=355315604490892
@marco,
Class compliant audio interface support is a popular request for the upcoming iConnectAUDIO4+. Although, the complete and final details on this product have not been set in stone. I agree, it would be really cool to see that happen and it would definitely expand the live performance based applications of the interface.
People want class compliant audio interface support for your upcoming audio interface? I don't get it.
@Josh_iConnectivity I like that idea in the possible context of bridging audio passthru between iConnectMIDI4+ and iConnectAudio4+. I really hope that works out!
Now we're talking.
@Josh_iConnectivity any chance the ability to use Class Compliant Audio on the 'Host Port' will be added in a future firmware update of the iConnect 4+? I was trying to ask this in my earlier post, but never got a direct answer. Or is there any other possible solution (aside from the limited work-around you suggested) to making the iConnect4+ useful in live performance applications? Thanks for your attention on all this.
Yes, I too would like to use a Class Compliant Audio device on the iConnect Midi4+. Is there a firmware update for this ?
@serosin...Actually, if they are still manufacturing the Midi+4 adding that functionally might be another reason, besides lower cost?, to purchase one...
I'd imagine most users would be content with 4x4 audio I/O.
I'd also imagine the Audio4+ would be an all in one solution, at an additional cost?, where the Midi+4 would be strictly for expandability...providing customers product options vs. product limitations is aways a wiser business decision...They would still be different products. I don't own either one ATM.
@KDub
@pandeiroman
Class compliant audio interface support is a popular request for the 'host port' on iConnectAUDIO4+.
As of now, it's hard to comment on certain specs of iConnectAUDIO4+. Once we get close to mass production I will have a better idea of what the 'host port' supports.
Some details are subject to change as the team develops and tests newer prototypes for iConnectAUDIO4+.
Thanks Josh!
most posts i read regarding audio passthru setup with an ICM 2+/4+ is from device A to device B. But what about to routing audio from A to B back to A?
Example:
Would the pass thru ability make sense for using the iPad as an external audio processing unit alá Koaspad?
This would be the setup i would like to have:
Macbook Pro (OSX 10.9) DAW (Ableton) -> routing audio via my NI Komplete Audio 6 (aggregated device with an ICM2+/4+) -> routing dry audio into my iPad 4 (lightning version) -> processing audio signal -> routing back wet signal to my KA 6 main outs
Would the latency be ridiculous high?
Would there be any other alternatives out there?
It's doable, latency is of course higher than just one way but still not terrible.
@Josh_iConnectivity Thanks for responding, but still no answer to the question regarding the iConnect Midi4+. I would rather not have to buy an additional device for the functionality I thought I was getting with the MIDI4+(or maybe you guys will let us trade it in for the AUDIO4+). So since you didn't respond to the possibility of a firmware update to the iConnect Midi4+, are we to assume there will be no added feature to this device in the future. All I can say is VERY disappointing.