AR-808 rhythm drum machine from Audiokit under development.

gusgranite

Maybe someone can link to this thread on the Twitter post so he sees it? (I’m not on Twitter any more)

FloRi89

@Samu said:

@DukeWonder said:

Is this only if you use the in-app sequencer or does it happen with host midi too?

Unofortunately it does...
That's just very basic example of how 'late' the AK909 is.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vuxmb77wb8cvopt/tfart.mp4?dl=0

It's two Atom 2 instanced one triggering Ruismaker and another AK909...
...Ruismaker goes first, then I enable one for AK909 and you can hear the 'farty' delay is.

Oh, well, maybe some day it will get corrected...

Ohh, I never noticed that until now. Now I can probably not notice it anymore.

Fingolfinzz

I did see Matt replying to someone asking about the 909 on Twitter and he said the timing issues “will be fixed before releasing any other drum machines”. If that’s the case, then I’ll gladly hand over my money for this

Samu

@Fingolfinzz said:
I did see Matt replying to someone asking about the 909 on Twitter and he said the timing issues “will be fixed before releasing any other drum machines”. If that’s the case, then I’ll gladly hand over my money for this

+1

Bietfriek

Besides the timing issues with the 909, I just loaded the unit to check the bassdrum again. What bothers me (and what suggests samples but isn’t according to the programmer) is the fact that the pitch up/down seems to influence the decay too, just like a sample would behave. I would rather have the option to have an awesome and dedicated bd, sd etc. unit with no sequencer and sounds great, to sample from then a unit with sequencer that does behave as the 909 now does.

Optahealth

@Philandering_Bastard said:
Hm. A-909 is still unusable.

Hello Audiokit

klownshed

@Bietfriek said:
Besides the timing issues with the 909, I just loaded the unit to check the bassdrum again. What bothers me (and what suggests samples but isn’t according to the programmer) is the fact that the pitch up/down seems to influence the decay too, just like a sample would behave. I would rather have the option to have an awesome and dedicated bd, sd etc. unit with no sequencer and sounds great, to sample from then a unit with sequencer that does behave as the 909 now does.

Not only, but when you tweak the parameters for the BD and snare you get aliasing artefacts and clicks at the end of the sample sound.

wim

@Bietfriek said:
Besides the timing issues with the 909, I just loaded the unit to check the bassdrum again. What bothers me (and what suggests samples but isn’t according to the programmer) is the fact that the pitch up/down seems to influence the decay too, just like a sample would behave. I would rather have the option to have an awesome and dedicated bd, sd etc. unit with no sequencer and sounds great, to sample from then a unit with sequencer that does behave as the 909 now does.

I wonder how a real 909 reacts when the pitch is changed.

wim

It'll be great if they fix the 909 timing issue and if so then I'm sure I'll buy this one, even though I'm quite happy with MV08.

AlmostAnonymous

The late hit is totally fine. Just offset the counting in your head by 25ms, play your keys 25ms later.... easy peasy.

The other option I use live is to route the 909 through one set of speakers, and everything else though another set of speakers about 30' behind them. Comes out in the wash.

ExAsperis99

@wim said:
It'll be great if they fix the 909 timing issue and if so then I'm sure I'll buy this one, even though I'm quite happy with MV08.

MV08 is excellent. Wish it was AU, but it is multi-out, so there's that.

wim

@ExAsperis99 said:

@wim said:
It'll be great if they fix the 909 timing issue and if so then I'm sure I'll buy this one, even though I'm quite happy with MV08.

MV08 is excellent. Wish it was AU, but it is multi-out, so there's that.

It is AU. Just missing the sequencer. No multi-out on the AU though, so there's that. If the AK-808 has that, then it would be a selling point for it.

jolico

@AlmostAnonymous said:
The late hit is totally fine. Just offset the counting in your head by 25ms, play your keys 25ms later.... easy peasy.

The other option I use live is to route the 909 through one set of speakers, and everything else though another set of speakers about 30' behind them. Comes out in the wash.

😂

Or you can just switch off the device and imagine that everything is awesome 😎

ExAsperis99

@wim said:

@ExAsperis99 said:

@wim said:
It'll be great if they fix the 909 timing issue and if so then I'm sure I'll buy this one, even though I'm quite happy with MV08.

MV08 is excellent. Wish it was AU, but it is multi-out, so there's that.

It is AU. Just missing the sequencer. No multi-out on the AU though, so there's that. If the AK-808 has that, then it would be a selling point for it.

[Astonished face]

Poppadocrock

@gsm909 said:
I won’t touch it until their 909 is sorted out

As much as I respect audiokit and all the things they’ve done for the iOS music community. I’ve had to hold off on purchasing the most recent app, digitalism, I have the rest. Unfortunately the 909 has issues and even some of the other ones are very cpu intensive as an AU. I will always support them and what they do, but it’s highly unlikely I will blindly get every AK app here on out, like I use to do.

Lurcher

Do we need more 808? Sorry but I am so bored with the 808, hardware or software, whatever. Not for me.

shinyisshiny

man... as much as i want to support them, as they support the community with their open source code etc, i just dont know.. all apps i have of theirs constantly crash to the point i cant use them.

Bietfriek

@klownshed said:

@Bietfriek said:
Besides the timing issues with the 909, I just loaded the unit to check the bassdrum again. What bothers me (and what suggests samples but isn’t according to the programmer) is the fact that the pitch up/down seems to influence the decay too, just like a sample would behave. I would rather have the option to have an awesome and dedicated bd, sd etc. unit with no sequencer and sounds great, to sample from then a unit with sequencer that does behave as the 909 now does.

Not only, but when you tweak the parameters for the BD and snare you get aliasing artefacts and clicks at the end of the sample sound.

Well, that….. There is something that doesn’t feel right.

Tim6502

@AlmostAnonymous said:
The late hit is totally fine. Just offset the counting in your head by 25ms, play your keys 25ms later.... easy peasy.

The other option I use live is to route the 909 through one set of speakers, and everything else though another set of speakers about 30' behind them. Comes out in the wash.

On a more serious note: the delay of the AR-909 appears to be variable - it can almost catch up, but falls back again - see: AR-909 Delay Jitter.

Correction: AR 909 (was: AK-808) as is also shown in the clip. - Thanks, @Gavinski!
The hope is that this issue will get excised before the 808 comes out.

Perhaps some kind of Midi buffering issue?

Gavinski

@Tim6502 said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
The late hit is totally fine. Just offset the counting in your head by 25ms, play your keys 25ms later.... easy peasy.

The other option I use live is to route the 909 through one set of speakers, and everything else though another set of speakers about 30' behind them. Comes out in the wash.

On a more serious note: the delay of the AK-808 appears to be variable - it can almost catch up, but falls back again - see: AK-808 Delay Jitter.

Perhaps some kind of Midi buffering issue?

You mean the 909, not the 808, right?