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Apple Event, September 14 2021

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  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous
    edited September 2021

    They could have given me another a12, i wouldnt have cared.
    Worrying about specs on paper isnt my thing. I dont think 300mhz is gonna make much of a difference in my usage.

  • icsleepersicsleepers

    @ervin said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    "Both the iPhone 13 and the new iPad mini are equipped with Apple's latest A15 Bionic chip, but benchmark results reveal that the chip is downclocked to 2.9GHz in the iPad mini, compared to 3.2GHz in all iPhone 13 models."

    It's important to point out that Apple is showing strong technical progress here. A few years ago, they were only able to intentionally slow down their older devices behind the user's back, whereas now they can cripple their brand new models as well. 👍

    Hah I just had a good Saturday morning laugh :D

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    Apple is doing the exact same thing every CPU and GPU manufacturer does. They bin the devices based on functional units and frequency and then sell those that have non-functional units or can't run as fast in lower priced devices. It's entirely common practice. They are already doing this with the GPU's in the M1 for example.

  • TarekithTarekith

    Ok, I’m lied. While ordering the wife a new iPhone 13 Pro yesterday (her current phone is a couple gens back and acting up) I checked the trade in value for my iPhone 12 Pro and it was almost $700. So $300 to upgrade to the new iPhone isn’t too bad for me, so I ordered one as well and will have it this Friday.

    Looking forward to the ProMotion display more than anything I think. Going back and forth from my iPad Pro to the iPhone Pro kept making that standout more and more. Not to mention all the extra CPU power I’ll be able to use when making phone calls now. ;)

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    @Tarekith said:
    Not to mention all the extra CPU power I’ll be able to use when making phone calls now. ;)

    Notes.app is gonna be a monster improvement for you.

  • colonel_mustardcolonel_mustard
    edited September 2021

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Apple is doing the exact same thing every CPU and GPU manufacturer does. They bin the devices based on functional units and frequency and then sell those that have non-functional units or can't run as fast in lower priced devices. It's entirely common practice. They are already doing this with the GPU's in the M1 for example.

    I wonder what the range is in the bin of 'premium' chips. Are they all effectively the same, or are there 'good' ones?

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Not to mention all the extra CPU power I’ll be able to use when making phone calls now. ;)

    Notes.app is gonna be a monster improvement for you.

    With ProMotion, it will be! At the humdrum 'Hey, I'm touching my phone!' level, I think this one's a biggie.

    Meanwhile, in snark corner, with dedicated GPUs in the Pros, we can finally offload some of the heavy lifting from our animated gifs! Allowing us to connect with the people and things we love!

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    Curious what your gif is. Cant see it, but will when my device gets here friday.

  • colonel_mustardcolonel_mustard

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    Curious what your gif is. Cant see it, but will when my device gets here friday.

    Fast & Furious 7.

  • TarekithTarekith

    LOL 😆 That's hardy a joke though!

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    Haha

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Not to mention all the extra CPU power I’ll be able to use when making phone calls now. ;)

    Notes.app is gonna be a monster improvement for you.

    Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but the Notes app is actually very useful.

  • u0421793u0421793

    @Tarekith said:
    LOL 😆 That's hardy a joke though!

    One of the best bits of this film, though easily missed:

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @colonel_mustard said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Apple is doing the exact same thing every CPU and GPU manufacturer does. They bin the devices based on functional units and frequency and then sell those that have non-functional units or can't run as fast in lower priced devices. It's entirely common practice. They are already doing this with the GPU's in the M1 for example.

    I wonder what the range is in the bin of 'premium' chips. Are they all effectively the same, or are there 'good' ones?

    My older out-of-date experience of overclocking things would suggest that there would be some that could be pushed farther. But, the tolerances are so tight now it might not be much of a spread anymore.

    Does make me wonder if Apple's got some of these pulled out of devices to liquid cool them to see how far they can be pushed.

  • AlmostAnonymousAlmostAnonymous

    Its possible binning. Its also possible they didnt want their mini faster than an air or pro.

  • colonel_mustardcolonel_mustard

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @colonel_mustard said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Apple is doing the exact same thing every CPU and GPU manufacturer does. They bin the devices based on functional units and frequency and then sell those that have non-functional units or can't run as fast in lower priced devices. It's entirely common practice. They are already doing this with the GPU's in the M1 for example.

    I wonder what the range is in the bin of 'premium' chips. Are they all effectively the same, or are there 'good' ones?

    My older out-of-date experience of overclocking things would suggest that there would be some that could be pushed farther. But, the tolerances are so tight now it might not be much of a spread anymore.

    Does make me wonder if Apple's got some of these pulled out of devices to liquid cool them to see how far they can be pushed.

    You know, I bet they do do that stuff. They put so much into R&D (they must) that I can't help but picture impractical concept labs. I expect they'll have teams working to find and overcome the pinch points in terms of speed, and others establishing and overcoming points of failure etc. They'll have mad scientists dreaming up new chip concepts, and analysts figuring out what's a good spend, and what to mass-produce, and when. They must push them as far as they can go.

    As for what we get, I doubt I'd ever know the difference between a superior A15 and a regular one (if there is a significant spread) but you did get me wondering about benchmark scores. If they're what we can expect from our own devices, or if they're outliers.

  • StudioESStudioES

    So the Mini 6 gets a downclocked A15 in the Mini, but it has the better 5-core GPU?
    The Metal benchmarks of the 5-core GPU in the A15 are noticeably higher than the 4-core GPU in the A15.

    Graphics: 4-core A15 15% faster than A14, 5-core A15 55% faster than A14

    The iPad Minis are loved by mobile gamers, so maybe that's something? The iPhones Pros are smaller, so heat up quicker, so possibly they'll throttle the CPU more than the iPad Mini? Do iOS games require more CPU or GPU power?

    As far as binning, Intel used to sell CPUs with the integrated GPU disabled (or not working) to Sony for use in their mid-range laptops with dedicated ATI GPUs.

    And Nvidia used to sell downclocked GPUs with less (or partially disabled) graphics RAM to Asus, Acer, and HP for their budget gaming laptops sold exclusively at several US retailers. Due to overheating > binning...who knows.

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @colonel_mustard said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @colonel_mustard said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Apple is doing the exact same thing every CPU and GPU manufacturer does. They bin the devices based on functional units and frequency and then sell those that have non-functional units or can't run as fast in lower priced devices. It's entirely common practice. They are already doing this with the GPU's in the M1 for example.

    I wonder what the range is in the bin of 'premium' chips. Are they all effectively the same, or are there 'good' ones?

    My older out-of-date experience of overclocking things would suggest that there would be some that could be pushed farther. But, the tolerances are so tight now it might not be much of a spread anymore.

    Does make me wonder if Apple's got some of these pulled out of devices to liquid cool them to see how far they can be pushed.

    You know, I bet they do do that stuff. They put so much into R&D (they must) that I can't help but picture impractical concept labs. I expect they'll have teams working to find and overcome the pinch points in terms of speed, and others establishing and overcoming points of failure etc. They'll have mad scientists dreaming up new chip concepts, and analysts figuring out what's a good spend, and what to mass-produce, and when. They must push them as far as they can go.

    As for what we get, I doubt I'd ever know the difference between a superior A15 and a regular one (if there is a significant spread) but you did get me wondering about benchmark scores. If they're what we can expect from our own devices, or if they're outliers.

    Assuming that the benchmarks aren't completely faked, they report the clock freq., so I'd assume that everything is going to be pretty close. It might be interesting to look at the spread of benchmark results when people actually have the devices. It'd be hard to differentiate all the possible causes of thermal throttling though.

  • NeonSiliconNeonSilicon

    @ocelot said:
    So the Mini 6 gets a downclocked A15 in the Mini, but it has the better 5-core GPU?
    The Metal benchmarks of the 5-core GPU in the A15 are noticeably higher than the 4-core GPU in the A15.

    Graphics: 4-core A15 15% faster than A14, 5-core A15 55% faster than A14

    The iPad Minis are loved by mobile gamers, so maybe that's something? The iPhones Pros are smaller, so heat up quicker, so possibly they'll throttle the CPU more than the iPad Mini? Do iOS games require more CPU or GPU power?

    As far as binning, Intel used to sell CPUs with the integrated GPU disabled (or not working) to Sony for use in their mid-range laptops with dedicated ATI GPUs.

    And Nvidia used to sell downclocked GPUs with less (or partially disabled) graphics RAM to Asus, Acer, and HP for their budget gaming laptops sold exclusively at several US retailers. Due to overheating > binning...who knows.

    Yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Sometimes they even make the binning "official" by giving the different grades specific model/part numbers.

  • bangzerobangzero

    fwiw, this info on the a15 used in the ipad mini may be significant for ios audio apps:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/05/apple-a15-chip-faster-than-claimed/

    big increase in cache memory size could make some audio code much faster. i've read that a key element in maximizing cpu efficiency is making inner audio code loops fit entirely into the super fast cache memory. so more cache could help a lot. or not... :^) anywho, cache memory seems kind of a hidden factor in cpu power that generic benchmarks may not reveal. tempted by the new mini vs the base ipad with an a13. some early reports of display problems tho. will wait & see.

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