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DrumJam- not convinced. sell me on it.
I still don't understand what all the hype is about. Thumbjam is incredibly useful for a wide variety of things (deserves the hype), but Drumjam on the other hand I just don't see the same amount of usefulness. why would I want this percussion app if I have thumbjam? thumbjam already does drums well, and I'm not sure I'm into the playing with pre-made drum grooves idea. also I already have other great percussion apps, impaktor, funkbox and Seekbeats so I don't feel any real need for another. if I did get Drumjam I would want the iap's as well, so this app would be on the expensive side. I've been on the fence for a long time. probably would be an impulse buy if it ever went on sale, but like I said I don't see what all the hype is about. please sell me on it! convince me wrong!
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A) There are a lot of percussion instruments in DrumJam that aren't in ThumbJam. The IAP's are awesome, too. I love the cymbals pack, for instance.
C) The Bedlam feature is the best "glitch" application of drums in any app on iOS. The recent update that lets you control every aspect of Bedlam from an external MIDI controller, which is huge if you're into stuff like drill'n'bass, or really any kind of music where you want your drums to do crazy random stuff that a live drummer can't do.
edit: Also, the dev for this app, @sonosaurus, is very receptive to suggestions and feedback, and active on this board. Always a plus in my book.
@calcutta
A) Thumbjam can sample, so any instrument can potentially be imported.
C) what is Bedlam?
Bedlam was an insane asylum. Thumbjam doesn't have one of those...
A) I'll bite on this: Are you going to sample at the same quality rate that the samples in the IAP's are presented? Maybe you are, but most aren't...as well, I'm not talking about what "is" or "isn't" possible in one app and not the other. By that token, why use Thumbjam? Why not just use any old sampler?
C) You'd do better to go back and read some other posts on DrumJam already posted on this board for research into what the app can do: http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/3394/drumjam-v1-2-feature-list/p1
I like DrumJam because 1) it has dynamite visual appeal; 2) accordingly, it has a neat graphic interface; 3) you can roll the dice & get variations on a theme; 4) you aren't stuck with what instruments you're given - remove them from or add them to the selection that's already there, 5) @sonosaurus is here on the forum all the time, providing help, heads-up info & alerts on updates to the app (how many posts I've read here about trying to contact devs & get nothing).
All that & ThumbJam, too!
The sound are fantastic as well as the effects and IPAs.I just wish it had its own sequencer but it's does play nice over midi.
@calcutta
didn't mean to be snarky with my reply, just pointing out that A) and
are already possible in thumbjam. thanks for the comments.
I like DrumJam not to compose rhythms. But, just like the name says, to have a nice sounding virtual drummer to jam with.
Sometimes I turn on the random feature, which brings in different patterns or instruments.
Cheers,
I love DrumJam and other pre-recorded drum loop apps. I have practically zero interest in creating my own beats from scratch. I suck at guitar, bass and keyboards. I don't need to make crappy drum sounds too.
My favourite part about DrumJam is how you can play the drum kits on the bottom half of the DrumJam screen. It is shown very well in this video starting at about 2min 50second
this was before the Drop and Swing control were added with which you can make it sound more natural and more funky.
I also love what happens when you turn up the 2xsens to 100%.
Bedlam is also cool, I think @thesoundtestroom did a video on that after that update.
In my opinion, it's acceptable to be 100% in love with ThumbJam (and Sonosaurus as a developer), yet come to the conclusion that DrumJam isn't for you. There's a total emphasis on world beats and percussive instruments that aren't usually feature in rock and even most pop music. This was their design, and they'd totally own up to that.
I've held out from DrumJam for this reason and because it's a fairly hefty file size. However, I've heard enough good things about the interface and "Bedlam" feature that if the developer makes good on their comment to me that the next update may allow you to import your OWN samples into the interface...then I could see picking up the app to see how it works with the acoustic and drum machine .wav files I already import into other apps.
@dubwavedub judging by the subliminal messages in your post (outlined below) I don't think you will be truly happy with either decision......;)
@dubwavedub said:
I say ignore what we say and go with your gut and if you have been compelled to post here for encouragement to buy it then you are really just flirting with Drumjam......stop flirting and take her out for a spin.......it may not work out but you never know.....
I think if someone needs a forum full of people to talk them into it, then they probably don't need it.
I like it, because I'm not interested in programming my own drums- I just want something good to play on top of, that is not completely static. I do wish they'd add some less "ethnic" options.
Here's the link.....enjoy....
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/drumjam/id530162824?mt=8
Read the 50+ reviews.....they may help a bit with your decision
I've watched youtube videos, read the rave reviews and heard lots of positive comments here. I don't feel I need drumjam, but there's so much hype behind this app I hate to think I'm missing out on something big (which is why I started this discussion)
I bought drumjam on the strength of thumbjam and comments on this forum. I have to confess that it is no longer on my ipad. I'm not into percussive acoustic emulations or loops so that may be my reason. I don't regret buying it though and supporting a supportive developer
It does have a rather unique combination of ethnic percussion loops (which are presented as individual parts designed to work well with any other part, in any combination), and playable pads which include both ethnic percussion and traditional and electronic kits. This combination may seem strange, and often leads people to believe they don't need all of it, but my partner on this app Pete Lockett believes strongly in a hybrid approach to percussion and drumming, mixing and matching all styles.
Many people find the quality of the included velocity-layered kits for the playable pads and the various auto-repeat and glitch capabilities worth the price of admission alone, even if they aren't into ethnic percussion. You can drive the kits by MIDI, and these kits aren't available in ThumbJam right now.
That said, the current version does not let you build your own pad kits, nor play back your own loops (even ones recorded by you in the app itself). Those two things are both on the roadmap for the next major version.
Drumjam is amazing.
It's the ease with which you can develop a performance in your DAW of choice. Easy to set up a good balanced mix, and you can blend loops with live playing all synchronised to multiple hits in beat divisions.
For me it's not so much about the sounds or the interface, both of which are great. It's about performance and ease of use. Drumjam is the closest thing I've experienced on iPad to Groove Agent on the PC, which I loved.
To me it's like having a real drummer, but one who follows your commands and delivers a great variety of beats.
I had a ten minute track where I wanted to develop the drums throughout. It was so easy with Drumjam to set things up, hit record on Cubase and a few minutes later have a complete performance that I could then edit and further process.
It's my drum app of choice, but you know what? For six months after I bought it I never used it because I just didn't get it! Then I heard everyone name checking it and I had another look. Now it's the number 1 drum app on my iPad.
@sonosaurus
thanks for the comment
I do like fusion- mixing styles/sounds that normally don't belong together, so in that way drumjam appeals to me.
Yeah the day I get to load the Amen break in ThumbJam will be fun...
I can't remember what it cost, but I'm quite sure I've had that much worth of fun with it. Probably more.
As some one who plays percussion and is trying really hard to programme realistic percussion parts on ios I'd like more development on the sample pad side - it would be great to have a Cajon with more than 4 sounds for example. But when working on other instruments having Pete Lockett as a metronome is pretty amazing and useful even if he does get discarded later.
Worth every penny.
@firejan82 that video (or a similar one) is what got me to buy it. You can not do that in Thumbjam, or any other single app that I'm aware of.
I love it. It is really fun to get a random loop going, with all sorts of percussion, then start playing bass to it. I've used it to play percussion parts on gigs too- it ALMOST makes Hot, Hot, Hot bearable....almost. :-)
I think the interface at times is just as important as the sounds you get, Drumjam nails it on both. If you're looking for some great percussion to play with, I would recommend this app. You might be able to use other apps to create something that could potentially come close, but it'll take more time and I also wager more creativity out of the process. Think of it as GarageBand drums on steroids.
Yeah... I like Garageband's drums but DrumJam uses such great percussion samples that they will certainly figure into more of my future musical endeavors. Besides, iOS apps are very inexpensive (relatively-speaking), so why would one NOT want to have such an app as part of their musical arsenal? Don't forget that you don't have to keep any app on your device all the time... delete and bring back any app at anytime - I think THAT is the ideal situation Apple offers. And Audiobus 2's state-saving capability really takes this situation to the next level!
HQ Samples, world-class patterns and a unique glitch algorithm are a few of the things that the app has that aren't available in Thumbjam. I'm probably just loose with my money but some days I would give an $8 donation just to support continued development from one of the best devs working on iOS music apps. In this case I can't imagine not getting $8 worth of fun. A very useful tool as well that I find myself using more and more.
Here here. If you can't come up with any other reasons, buy DrumJam because Thumbjam is worth $16.
Drumjam and Thumjam is like Yin&Yang
if you have both its complete ;-)
and the drumplaying possibilitys in Drumjam for me is a new naturall way to play drums instantly free and groovey i play, i dont programm, this is it......
listen to the drumsolo +3:49min...really fun. thx to jesse again ;-)