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AUM and MIDI Fighter Twister
Greetings.
I have set up a MIDI Fighter Twister with AUM. It works to control things perfectly. But, when I load a session, the settings loaded in AUM are not reflected in the lights around MFT's encoders.
For instance, let's say I have a session where I have mapped a knob on the MFT to the volume for channel 1. I adjust the volume on channel 1 to -3db. Now I close the session and open a new one where channel 1 is also mapped to the same knob on the MFT. It still shows -3db, even if the new session has the channel at -6db.
Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Ableton and other MacOS programs automatically update the MFT on loading a session and it works seamlessly, so I am guessing I am just not doing something right.
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Hi. It's not as simple as you imagine. The methods for setting encoder values and controlling the lights vary with different devices. The computer programs include functionality for doing this, sometimes using configuration files supplied by the hardware vendors. iOS apps, including AUM, do not include this kind of support. I guess Atom and LK are two apps with some of this capability.
Basically you need the software to send a midi message back to the MFTwister to tell it what value the encoder value should be set to. That’s what happens in Ableton when you set it up as a remote control script. That message is not being sent by AUM.
I made a Mozaic script for midi control of instruments and devices in AUM that does do this (to a degree). I use it with a MFTwister.
https://patchstorage.com/qkv2-kntrl-midi-control-centre/
The best way to set this up is in the Midi Fighter software.
Thanks everyone. I will check out your script, @Soundtemple.
How so, if AUM doesn’t send messages?
@JES000000 You are correct. The MF software allows you to configure the midi messages that are sent from the device to AUM. Those messages numbers can be used to send back to the MF to updates its status, but there is no automatic update from AUM. Nothing you do in the MF software will change that.
@soundtemple — your script oooks good. But, can I use the MFT without a launchpad? I just need to control volumes, sends (on two channels) and a couple FX parameters per session.
Yes you can. You'd just tap the pad on the Mozaic KNTRL script rather than on the Launchpad.
NB: You do have to set up the mappings in AUM though, which is easy enough. Just have the pad selected, goto midi learn in AUM and turn the knob. Alternatively the CH and Value are displayed above the KNTRL knobs each time you select a pad.
Thank you. Will try it out.
Thanks again. I downloaded the script and it works, but for my use case I want something a little different. For each project, I just want to be able to assign 16 knobs on my MFT. Looks like that will be very easy to do with the Mozaic knob template, so thanks for introducing me to it.
Am probably about to buy a MFT - if I do, would someone in this thread be able to help me with the Mozaic script so I can use MFT to modulate stuff in AUM please?
Full disclosure: I’m the dumbest person on this forum
i will formally disagree.
I am the dumbest person on this forum.
You dont need a mozaic script to map a MFT knob/button to a knob/slider/button in AUM.
Just select in AUM what you want to map....turn the knob.
You don't need a script, but you will need to know how to set the Twister to send CC messages. The encoders can be set to send absolute CC messages (what you'll need), Notes, or relative CC messages. I don't know what the defaults are. What you will want to do is to set up a midi monitor such as Midi Spy and route the Twister to it. What you want to see is a continuous stream of increasing and decreasing CC values as you turn the knobs right or left. If you see notes or just values of 65 and 63 then you're in the wrong mode. The thing has banks, so probably switching to a certain bank will be enough. If not then you need a PC or Mac to run the configuration software.
But once you have absolute CC messages, all you need to do is find the AUv3 or AUM parameter you want to control, hit learn, and turn a knob.
BUT. Keep in mind the communication is one-way. AUM won't be sending messages back to keep the Twister in sync if you make changes in AUM itself. And, it won't update the Twister with where the knobs should be when you load a saved session.
I wrote a Mozaic script that can help with that ... but you still need to make the changes only from the Twister. With this script, instead of routing the Twister directly to parameters, you route the Twister to Mozaic, Mozaic to the parameters, and Mozaic back to the Twister. The script keeps track of the last values sent through it, then restores them to the Twister when you reload the session.
https://patchstorage.com/controller-tracker-and-snapshots/
or ... a simpler version that does essentially the same thing but without snapshots
https://patchstorage.com/controller-feedback-and-restore/
OK cool, thanks @AlmostAnonymous and thanks @wim for such a thorough and thoughtful response (as always) - really appreciate it.
I just bought the MFT, 2nd hand on ebay, so I will doubtless be in touch soon with more questions....
Is everyone who is using the MFT in an iOS context using a powered hub? I thought I would introduce the MFT to my iPad today but got a message saying “this won’t work- not enough power”….or words to that effect
you need a stronger power supply. Apple's power supply doesn't supply enough power to power some peripherals.
Thanks @espiegel123 . So a powered usb hub will be enough? The one I have no longer works so I’ll need to invest in a new one.
What type of iPad do you have? How was the MFT connected to your iPad when you got the message?
2018, 6th gen. I plugged in a CCK and then plugged the MFT into the USB slot on the CCK. So the ipad was able to recognise that something was attached, but obviously that wasn't enough power to make it active....
So, I am waiting to check that a powered USB hub will definitely work before I purchase one. Have asked on the lines forum too, and hopefully someone there is checking later today...
You don’t need a hub, just a higher wattage charger to power the cck
It has been often noted in AB forum that devices like MFT or LaunchPad Pro/X draw more power than the Apple charger supplies. The Apple charger supplies only slightly more power than needed to charge your device. So, a more powerful charger is needed for peripherals that draw a lot of power (which banks of LEDs require).
Ok, cool, thanks man. Can you point me to something, just so I can get an idea? Preferably not on Amzn
I didn't realise it was safe (I mean safe for the ipad) to use anything other than the supplied charger.
I don’t have anything particular to recommend. Look up your Apple charger’s power rating and get a USB charger that has more. If you will ever need to connect more than one usb device, get a powered hub. Mine all came with power supplies that were sufficient.
Did you have power plugged into the lightning connector on the CCK? That should be enough to power most single devices, even with the standard Apple power supply.
Yep, was plugged into the mains
As I mentioned, the standard Apple charger (powering the lightning cck) isn’t sufficient for powering quite a few midi peripherals (notably Launchpad Pro and Launchpad X and MFT).
Yes, I know you mentioned that. But @Kashi hadn't mentioned whether or not power was supplied to the CCK in the first place. No sense buying an upgraded power supply if that hadn't been tried first.
Just ordered an ipad pro M1. Also wondering if my launchpad pro and MFT will need a powered usb hub or does ipad pro provide more power?
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