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Tuner App and Sound Feedback
HelloOOoooOOoo AudioBus /iOS Music Gurus....
I am finally gettin' it together with my iPad to run my violin into it for Fx. Right now I'm using an iRig Pro; but I have an Xtone on order. I want to able to send both audio and MIDI messages to the iPad.
My Use Case: Real time or live performances.
This is an electric violin (Yamah YEV-104) with Octave strings, so it plays an octave lower than a regular violin. Some fiddle players call it a Chin Cello.
Signal Chain:
- FabFilter compressor (to help keep from clipping; it's set to about 3:1)
- Thafknar - I use a Cello IR (From 3 Sigma Audio) to improve the tone of the piezo pickup
- FabFilter EQ - to well, EQ it - I take out the very low bottom end, and very high top end and a slight notch a couple places
AltiSpace Reverb - to give more of a room/chamber effect
** NEEDED:**
A tuner app (AUV3 compliant) that doesn't alter the sound.
- Feedback - does this even sound anything like cello to you?
- Feedback - are there other plugins you think would give it a more realistic sound?
Thank You (very mucch)
Comments
@Vmusic that is a great sound. It really does sound like a cello, I can’t tell it’s a violin, especially considering it has that puffy attack and release on note changes and bows, very much a cello sound.
The high output passive bridge pickup on the Yamaha would translate well to guitar apps on iOS. I’m sure many people would recommend strictly just a tuner app, there are many options out there, but I don’t know if they color or affect the direct signal which you wouldn’t want, I’m sure many of them are transparent by default.
There is an app I would recommend highly for your uses, based on my experience with it, and the fact that I also have an Xtone on my board.
Overloud TH-U. This is all you would need. You can place it in the chain instead of Thafknar, because th-u is an IR loader as well. Or if you want to keep using Thafknar I use both Thaf and th-U for irs) you can put th-u first in your chain or after the compressor. The app is free and comes with many purchase options, but the free app comes with plenty of candy and all that you’d need. There’s nothing to unlock, the free app is excellent. So the reason I recommend this for you… it’s completely transparent, if you just open the app and have nothing loaded on the screen, it’s your direct sound. You can then load your IR and that’s all it will be, no other coloring. Or you can go to the tuner section, and it’s a good chromatic tuner with adjustable 440 if you need. Most importantly, the xtone can control the tuner to turn on, off, tuner mute, show on screen, exit tuner, etc… th-u takes midi CCs messages and xtone sends midi CCs, it’s a match made in heaven. You can program the Xtone to do whatever you want inside th-u.
On top of that th-u gives you a master level section, free guitar pedals like reverb, delay, overdrive, which you might want to use with your violin. It’s very light on resources, AUv3, and extremely stable.
So all guitar apps have tuners, many are auv3, and some have IR loading. But some apps are harder to bypass and dial in to be truly transparent. As in, it takes more steps and fiddling to use a huge app just for its tuner. From my experience I can say that th-u is the perfect match, it can be an “always on” app with just the midi controlled tuner for you, and stay completely transparent for you the rest of the time. Transparent just like AUM if you were to simply play your violin direct into it with nothing loaded. Most apps do this, just pass your signal.
So before you commit to just a tuner app, unless you need a crazy tuner with many modes, try out the th-u tuner, the double IR loader, and consider what an app like this could give you beyond just tuner.
Open th-u, delete everything from the screen and make sure it’s totally blank, that’s your direct sound. Access the tuner, imagine it being fully controllable with xtone, and voila.
Thank you. I have an Xtone on order, for a) the interface into the iPad and b) the MIDI control of AUM and whatever plugins I use. The Xtone Pro gives me both in one device (or box)
I'll try TH-U out. One effect I want is an auto wah or an envelope filter controlled wah. For the uh, funky Bach version
I agree - what a beautiful tone!
Feedback: I cannot tell it's not a cello, but I'm no expert. Impressive.
Feedback: Use Pro-Q3's EQ Match feature to 'match' or reference an actual cello recording. You can store a reference spectrum of an actual cello and copy it's EQ curve over to the Pro-Q3 that resides in the signal chain on your live violin input. Here are the instructions from Fabfilter.
AUv3 Tuner app (standalone): the only one that I'm aware of is 4Pockets Analyser & Tuner.
Blue Mango Oscilloscope and Tone Boosters Spectrogram are useful, though not specifically tuners.
I agree with JoyceRoadStudios - Overloud TH-U has a tuner and can load impulse responses. Its preamp and amp can be bypassed.
Wow, what a cool tip!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank all of you for listening; and the awesome suggestions.
Yea #2 was helpful to me too.
Sounds lovely @Vmusic very authentic.
Maybe consider a little more space on the reverb, just a little, to get that live concert hall feel, but that’s just a thought sounds great as is.
First thing I thought was "violin?"