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@sleekitwan - I think you're missing the point of most of the posts here.
I don't think many people have even tried to rebut what you're saying. I don't think people are trying to dispute that iCloud eats up SSD space in ways that we have no control over.
What most are saying is iCloud isn't intended to be what you expect it to be ... like a network share drive that you can free up space on your device by offloading files to. It's mainly for providing a near real-time-synced place to store files that you can access from any Apple device, and also to provide disaster recovery level backups of your devices.
You can write as many lengthy and passionate posts on the subject as you like, but the fact is so far nobody really cares. Most likely almost no-one here is trying to use iCloud to free up space** on their devices. I don't care enough to do your test because whether what you say is accurate or not is simply irrelevant to me.
I'm genuinely curious what you're trying to accomplish here. Do you think that even if you manage to get anyone as worked up as you are that it will somehow result in Apple changing anything? I just don't see that happening. Or is there some other motivation?
Genuine question. I'm not trying to put you down.
** (Except for photos, for which iCloud can help free up space. But that's a different thing.)
"... but now it's completed. Behold my new song called War and Peace meets Ulysses"
😂😂
Unexpectedly, it’s about almost nothing now – I rewrote it from a complicated song using complicated words about complicated concepts, then over the past couple of years realised that this is a disastrous way of doing it, so turned it into another song which ended up being about nearly nothing but the sky in late summer (which if truth be told was the stimulus for the first version of the song all those years ago but back then I foolishly decided I’d shoehorn in a bunch of crap about geomagnetic fields etc because it sounded clever). Now it’s just about the colour of the sky. That’s it. Took months to get it that simple.
@sleekitwan is kinda getting hammered for something that is just straight annoying. Call it OCD, call it being cheap, whatever, but I like knowing exactly how much room I have left on my iPad’s internal SSD/flash storage. Especially since I have 6 years worth of apps and music files that are the sole purpose of my iPad. My old Air 2 is there for surfing the web or watching video but my Air 3 is dedicated to music production. Whether it’s planning to record multiple takes of vocals or acoustic instruments or I’m messing with samples knowing exactly what I’m working with is important.
I get the convenience of it that some are putting over, and I know that “theoretically” the OS is supposed to shuttle of the data it’s pooled on the SSD if and when we need it. I’d just like to have the option to turn that feature on & off. Like several issues with the OS and it’s peccadilloes over the years you’d think it wouldn’t be a hard engineering feat to just have the iCloud auto saves be optional. A yes/no switch in the settings shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
That’s basically what has been said several times here. More control would be ideal. We’d all love that. Ain’t gonna hold my breath. It’s not due to technical difficulty, it is due to Apple being unwilling. I have many thoughts as to why that is so, but it makes no difference. Apple does things their way and there’s little that anyone can do to change that.
If the OPer is getting ‘hammered’, I think that’s to do with the way in which they are expressing their points and the irrational conclusions to which they jump rather than the points themselves.
They came here to tell us of the underhand things they’ve discovered Apple are doing and expected us to thank them for their incredible insight. The last thing they wanted was to actually discuss the issue sensibly and find reasonable conclusions. If you disagree with them or challenge their findings, you’re a ‘fanboi’.
If that sounds harsh, reread the OP and their replies. Not the words of someone wanting a rational explanation or sensible debate.
Pitchforks at dawn or nothing.
Typo? Surely you mean tuning forks at dawn...?
I hear you @wim. And I get what @klownshed is saying too. The OP certainly broke bad with the anti-Apple schtick but is there really any of us who can’t relate on some level, no matter how microscopic?
Apple, like most of the modern day corporate capitalist megaliths, know they’re in control and their consumer base is lazy, afraid and apathetic. The shrugging “Eh, watta ya gunna do?” acceptance of things is American as apple pie (Apple™️ Pie?) If just 25% of the iCloud user base complained to the company AND (most importantly) made their effort known on social media, etc., Apple would make a change and give users the option.
Of course it’s not that big of a deal to enough people and even if it was…hey, the Rock’s on Netflix!
Is the best way to use icloud. 5gb or 50gb. To back up now and again but delete backups from icloud before you then back up to icloud. Or just keep sending entire backup copies if you just add a few extra samples?
If you back up different devices. Would a backup receive, combine all device backups? On devices you use or a new device?
It depends on what you mean by “backups”.
There’s the transparent iCloud backup that keeps a copy of virtually all the data on your device in the background, generally at night when your device is idle. You don’t have control over this other than to turn it off or on. I believe only the latest backup is kept for each device. You can’t select what to restore from this backup - it’s all or nothing. Also, when you restore, you are forced to update to the latest OS version whether you like it or not, and all your apps are re-downloaded. This backup is great for complete recovery if your device is lost or damaged. It needs to have enough available iCloud storage for the data (not the apps or OS) on your device.
Then there’s iCloud Drive. You could selectively back up many things there, but there’s no utility for doing so, and not all apps even let you get to the data to back up. And … as the subject of the thread suggests, it’s completely possible that your backup would actually end up eating up space on your device.
You have to throw any pre-conceived ideas about backups from desktop experience. IOS/iCloud backup is a whole different animal.
@sleekitwan thanks for sharing your experience, I try to backup things the old way, myself. Apple has a tendency to want to control, often creating overblown, creations, iTunes is one.
Forgetting iCloud, an option that the OP could consider is an alternative service such as Backblaze which is much more customisable, can archive all old backups and is cross-platform, although it is more expensive.
iCloud isn’t the best way to backup anything that isn’t automatic.
It’s the best way to backup your photos and iOS devices by far. But iCloud Drive isn’t a backup platform, it’s more to allow you to access files on all your devices.
I use it to backup work files and it’s fine for that and I’ve got a 2Tb plan as I quickly used up 200 GB.
The best way to backup files is with an external drive. Or two.
I have a time machine backup for my Mac and use carbon copy closer to run backups automatically on specific files to externals as soon as they’re mounted and also to .DMG disk images on iCloud Drive.
For my iOS life the automatic icloud backups are more than enough. I also save sample libraries to external drives.