Recording AUv3s into iPad DAWs: impossible?

echoopera

@mistercharlie Fwiw, i like to record Midi instruments to Audio via the FlexiSampler in Drambo.

Also of note, LoopyPro is going to make a lot of users very happy who want an Audio solution in their favorite DAWs. I’m finding it a great solution to capture a ton of audio on tracks now. It’s been really wonderful and is allowing me to test out a ton of new strategies in my music making process.

mistercharlie

@echoopera Not bad. We made it to 30 replies before we got to “Drambo can do it”!

I’m testing the Loopy Pro beta too, and it’s great, but I’ve found that Koala is so fast and intuitive for sampling. If it could sample in sync, that would be handy, but it’s pretty easy to do it manually.

I wonder how koala might fare loaded inside Loopy Pro…?

echoopera

Here’s how i do it in Drambo:

Your mileage may vary based on your needs. You can also swap out FlexiSampler for LoopyPro in this type of workflow.

Koala is also awesome. I just find that i want per channel effects when I’m making tracks…i want flexibility to modify and tweak and tune on a per channel basis…i allude to this type of workflow in the video above fwiw.

mistercharlie

@echoopera Thanks! Bed time now, but I’ve marked it to watch with my morning coffee.

Edward_Alexander

@Samu said:

@krassmann said:
@Edward_Alexander you are right. That is probably the easiest workaround if you just want to play live with Animoog and record it along with your Cubasis track. 👍

But seriously a multi-app work-around for a flaw in a DAW?
I'm almost ready to give up on 'iOS DAWs'(BM3 being one exception) and go back to Logic...

As long as we come up with these 'work around with apps' there's no real pressure on DAW developers to implement or add anything more than the 'basics' and when even that fails I start to question the sanity behind those who prioritize the features that get implemented...

...sorry for the somewhat naggy tone, but at the phase things are going I Cub-Land give it 2-3 years and a few more paid updates and we might get something that contains some of requests made since the initial release years ago...

Cheers!

I look at it as more of a “modular solution” than a workaround. To me it’s part of the fun; figuring out how to do things. Shoot, if we had one app that did it all, we wouldn’t need to keep buying new apps lol!

Edward_Alexander

Think of AUM as your pedalboard, running into Cubasis. Not a workaround, but just another tool that has become commonplace.

As the wise and great @blueveek once said “always bet on modularity”.

marmakin

@espiegel123 said:

@marmakin said:

@mistercharlie said:

@Edward_Alexander said:

@marmakin said:
I’m so glad this topic was brought up. This has always been my biggest (and really only) frustration with the AUv3 workflow. I was always more of an audio guy than a MIDI guy and it just feels like iOS music tools greatly favor programming and midi sequencing over working with audio. I was shocked when I first realized I could not just record the AUDIO from a loaded AUDIO unit in a digital AUDIO workstation?!

I have always just used AUM or Audiobus to pipe in audio to Cubasis. This results in losing so much of the benefits of working with audio units and leaves me with essentially still the clunkier, rapid app switching IAA workflow for Cubasis.

Getting this changed would be a….gamechanger.

What “benefits” are you losing? You can control Cubasis’ transport and recording right from AUM.

The biggest lost benefit is being able to just open up a single Cubasis project and have everything as you left it. As soon as multiple apps are involved, that goes out the window.

Yes! That is a big one. Also I’ve gotten quite used to the AUv3 workflow of having everything right there in one app.

Using AUM or Audiobus isn’t bad, it just very much feels like a workaround. I also like to see the audio file tracking and can’t do that from AUM or AB3. Not a showstopper, just not ideal for me at least.

in the meantime, use Neon or Multitrack recorder inside Cubasis to capture the audio.

I’ll give Multitrack recorder a try. Thanks!

rs2000

@echoopera said:
@mistercharlie Fwiw, i like to record Midi instruments to Audio via the FlexiSampler in Drambo.

Also of note, LoopyPro is going to make a lot of users very happy who want an Audio solution in their favorite DAWs. I’m finding it a great solution to capture a ton of audio on tracks now. It’s been really wonderful and is allowing me to test out a ton of new strategies in my music making process.

Even though recording in Flexi is limited to 30 seconds (currently), I'd still do it inside Drambo because I'm fed up with the headaches other DAWs gave me.

I'll have to mention the "DAW bus" that comes with apeMatrix though:
It's a little AUv3 called "Mixer Send Receive" that allows you to add routings between tracks that would otherwise be impossible.

wim

@rs2000 said:
I'll have to mention the "DAW bus" that comes with apeMatrix though:
It's a little AUv3 called "Mixer Send Receive" that allows you to add routings between tracks that would otherwise be impossible.

I've not been successful making this work with Cubasis 2 or Cubasis 3.

Poppadocrock

You use to be able to route whatever au synth in an AUM audio channel directly into Cubasis 2, by putting cubasis in the audio out node, but I haven’t done that in awhile… you can always rec each channel, and move it to cubasis.

Edward_Alexander

@Poppadocrock said:
You use to be able to route whatever au synth in an AUM audio channel directly into Cubasis 2, by putting cubasis in the audio out node, but I haven’t done that in awhile… you can always rec each channel, and move it to cubasis.

Still can, (I don’t know about Cubasis 2, but 3, yes) that’s what I was pointing out a few posts above.

AudioGus

@Samu said:

@krassmann said:
@Edward_Alexander you are right. That is probably the easiest workaround if you just want to play live with Animoog and record it along with your Cubasis track. 👍

But seriously a multi-app work-around for a flaw in a DAW?
I'm almost ready to give up on 'iOS DAWs'(BM3 being one exception) and go back to Logic...

As long as we come up with these 'work around with apps' there's no real pressure on DAW developers to implement or add anything more than the 'basics' and when even that fails I start to question the sanity behind those who prioritize the features that get implemented...

...sorry for the somewhat naggy tone, but at the phase things are going I Cub-Land give it 2-3 years and a few more paid updates and we might get something that contains some of requests made since the initial release years ago...

Cheers!

Steinberg could do some kick ass Ipad Pro only IAP…. I would even pay insane prices…. Mmmm, sampler track etc…. Mmmmm etc…

rs2000

@wim said:

@rs2000 said:
I'll have to mention the "DAW bus" that comes with apeMatrix though:
It's a little AUv3 called "Mixer Send Receive" that allows you to add routings between tracks that would otherwise be impossible.

I've not been successful making this work with Cubasis 2 or Cubasis 3.

Indeed, I've just tried and Cubasis won't even let you choose where to record from. 😢

wim

@rs2000 said:

@wim said:

@rs2000 said:
I'll have to mention the "DAW bus" that comes with apeMatrix though:
It's a little AUv3 called "Mixer Send Receive" that allows you to add routings between tracks that would otherwise be impossible.

I've not been successful making this work with Cubasis 2 or Cubasis 3.

Indeed, I've just tried and Cubasis won't even let you choose where to record from. 😢

You can record from IAA sources to an audio track. You just can't do this in-app for Audio Units.

You can also feed Cubasis from Audiobus to record Audio Units hosted there.

mistercharlie

We certainly don’t lack workarounds! I do love iOS for music, but the gaps are crazy. I wonder why iOS DAWs haven’t added such basic features. Or, when they do, why they are so unreliable.

On the other hand, the flexibility of iOS is amazing. Whenever I use my Mac for music, I marvel that there’s nothing like AUM (yet!) or Audiobus for routing stuff.

mistercharlie

Just tested MultiTrack DAW. It lets you set an AU as the input for an audio track, and record it.

espiegel123

@mistercharlie said:
We certainly don’t lack workarounds! I do love iOS for music, but the gaps are crazy. I wonder why iOS DAWs haven’t added such basic features.

Some iOS DAWs do have this basic feature.

Why not more? There isn't enough of a market to whom it matters.

richardyot

@espiegel123 said:

@mistercharlie said:
We certainly don’t lack workarounds! I do love iOS for music, but the gaps are crazy. I wonder why iOS DAWs haven’t added such basic features.

Some iOS DAWs do have this basic feature.

Why not more? There isn't enough of a market to whom it matters.

Exactly. Auria and MTS can both do it, so it’s not an iOS problem, it’s a Cubasis problem 😛

espiegel123

@richardyot said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mistercharlie said:
We certainly don’t lack workarounds! I do love iOS for music, but the gaps are crazy. I wonder why iOS DAWs haven’t added such basic features.

Some iOS DAWs do have this basic feature.

Why not more? There isn't enough of a market to whom it matters.

Exactly. Auria and MTS can both do it, so it’s not an iOS problem, it’s a Cubasis problem 😛

AEM may allow it too...but I am not certain of that.

Simon

@mistercharlie said:
I love my iPad music apps, but whenever I try to record the output of an Audio Unit into GarageBand or Cubasis, it never works. At best, I get a midi track that I can freeze, but usually nothing at all gets recorded.

Apps tried include Egoist, Koala, and (iirc) Factory.

Do I have to use AUM and manually import the audio tracks? I can use iDAM or an iConnect to record into Ableton on the Mac, but I’d rather do it on the iPad.

This is the single biggest thing stopping me from using the iPad for creating songs.

How do you all work around it? Or am I just doing it wrong?

I stick the AUv3 app, like Factory, in the top slot of AUM and then put 4Pockets MultiTrack Recorder in the FX slot underneath.

MultiTrack records Factory or whatever app without any problem. And you can set punch ins and outs to get your perfect loops.

jolico

Aren’t the 4Pockets recorders only 16bit?

Simon

@jolico said:
Aren’t the 4Pockets recorders only 16bit?

Don't know, don't care. They sound fine to me

mistercharlie

16-bit, and yet another workaround. If we want stems, we can just record with AUM and arrange later. Which is fine, but when I use a DAW, it’s for a specific purpose: to record audio/midi to synced tracks, without fuss.

Pierre118

@jolico said:
Aren’t the 4Pockets recorders only 16bit?

Yes, they are. I asked Paul(the developer) after releasing Neon 2 months ago for 24bit recording. He put my request on his list and would look if there is need for it. Later he sended me a message that it has become low priority. So, the more requests for 24bit recording the better.

Spidericemidas

I slot my AUv3s into AUM tracks and route the outputs of those tracks into their respective Cubasis audio tracks.

Simon

@Pierre118 said:
Later he sended me a message that it has become low priority.

Wow - getting back to you the first time is good dev pubic relations but contacting you a second time is really impressive.

Pierre118

@Simon said:

@Pierre118 said:
Later he sended me a message that it has become low priority.

Wow - getting back to you the first time is good dev pubic relations but contacting you a second time is really impressive.

Paul is very responsive on his YT channel. Also his tutorials are very good.

audiblevideo

@Littlewoodg said:
Yet another MTS feature: MultitrackStudio, something dev calls practice tracks records AuV3 directly into audio tracks w/effects. This also works for IAA

How is MTS for recording AUM generated midi? Sequencers through some midi filters like velocity and gate/probability? Can I simultaneously do audio as well?

Littlewoodg

@audiblevideo said:

@Littlewoodg said:
Yet another MTS feature: MultitrackStudio, something dev calls practice tracks records AuV3 directly into audio tracks w/effects. This also works for IAA

How is MTS for recording AUM generated midi? Sequencers through some midi filters like velocity and gate/probability? Can I simultaneously do audio as well?

Ill have to try. I know that incoming midi can be recorded. Including MPE per note velocity. Ill have to test for the midi filter functionality. MTS is midi 2.0 but I honestly don't know if that helps

Midi tracks in MTS accept and record AUM midi ports. (Via IAA…)

Ill have to the test for simultaneous audio: whether the instrummt has to hosted in AUM, or MTS…

There is the option of involving AB, MTS has sweet AB integration

Littlewoodg

@audiblevideo what midi filter apps are you using for velocity and gate? It’s likely I have them, and I can run some tests in MTS