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What DAW (or similar core/central music app) are you using in late 2021?

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  • @McD said:
    I'm slowly converting to StaffPad which will accept Audio stems in the release that is currently in beta. There are implied improvements with MIDI/Music XML importing so finding a good tool to generate my MIDI improves will open new doors in Staffpad for a hybrid-DAW workflow.

    There has been a video demo of realtime MIDU keyboard to notation in Staffpad but it appears that feature is still under development and may require one of the newer M1-based devices to work reasonably. That's like the early days of speech to text... the first version will require a ton of editing, IMHO.

    Many will be frustrated with the resulting notations because the software might not quantize but maybe it will... we shall see.

    Anyway, StaffPad generates music that in many cases is indecipherable from most film scores to the average listener. Making such music using MIDI DAW's in just not there yet as it is on Desktop products that provide controls for switching rapidly between a menu of articulations. Staffpad can quickly navigate accents, pizzicato, marcato, indelicato and a dozen other italian cooking terms. I bought a small fortune in iSymphonic IAP packs (more than the $40 (on sale until Dec 3rd) staffpad costs and it covers the entire orchestra).

    _**But staffpad requires the purchase of an Apple Pencil to write the notes.
    **_

    I'd like to see a small contingent of Staffpad composers here but I'm not holding my breath.

    I have to use the FaceBook group and another forum to find other users and (frankly) they don't approach community the same way users do here... share a project with them and you'll get crickets... it's mostly requests for application issues and "drive-by" posting from someone with something to sell. It's a marketplace for "wanna be's" and very few generous
    colleagues that like to share their thoughts, music and experience without an agenda.

    $40! You can import Piano Motifs MIDI and make some amazing audio loops to import into your DAW of choice. It also spits out MIDI and audio "Stems" so it can feed your workflow with audio that makes all the Rom-pler product look like toys (PSP, iSymphonic, Noise, Module Pro, ThumbJam). BUT, it's not IAA, AUv3 or AudioBus and probably won't be so I can see why it's not a first class "DAW" in the ABF paradigm.

    But... try this test in your DAW.

    TL:DR. Someone should make a Hip-hop loop Staffpad Collection and maybe people will get it. You don't have to tell them you made it on an iPad. It would sound like you went crate diving in the classical aisle for some hip groove materials.

    UPDATE: I'm trying to convince myself to buy the Orchestral Tools Libraries for Strings and Woodwinds for more convincing results.

    Couldn’t agree more. Staffpad has enabled me to sketch out a fully formed piece in the same sort of time it would nornally have taken me to figure out which synth and effect settings I want to start playing with (usually in AUM).

    From Staffpad into AUM, for playing with the audio stems against synths, drums etc. I like Drambo as a concept but haven’t put the hours in yet, and no IAA support means no Lumbeat in there, which I lazily rely on for insta-drums most of the time.

    From AUM to Auria for finishing*.

    *Theoretically, at least. Almost nothing ever gets actually ‘finished’, but Staffpad has helped me to flow further in less time than any other music software.

  • AUM for sequencing and sound design.
    BM3 for drum pads and sampling/sample FX.
    Trying out Cubasis 3 for mixing.

  • edited November 2021

    NS2 is my favourite sequencer by far on iOS. I wish it had audio tracks (I’d have been happier with NS2 had it been released with audio tracks but no Obsidian or Slate — I’d happily have bought those separately as auv3s.)

    BlocsWave is probably my most used app on iOS. Loops I make anywhere else end up there and BW + Launchpad are my favourite apps to work out arrangement ideas.

    Once I have a song idea started and it is taking shape I tend to finish it in Logic Pro X.

    I do sometimes use NS2 as an intermediary before going to Logic as well; I use slate to trigger loops exported from BlocsWave and I build the arrangement there and then add tracks sequenced from NS2 before exporting the lot as audio to Logic.

    I use a load of different apps for sound design/drum loops etc, AUM or standalone apps and just keep saving loops to iCloud Drive.

    I tend to make loops when I’m just noodling about in an app without a specific ulterior motive and forget about it until the loop will pop up in BlocsWave one day and kickstart a new tune.

    One thing that has surprised me is that I hardly use my iPad for audio stuff anymore. I use my iPhone far more now. I got an iPad Air 4 expecting to use it for music a lot and I’ve just let in using my iPhone predominantly instead.

    That’ll probably change over time but now I’m very much iPhone to Logic or novation circuit to Logic or Roland Jd-Xi to Logic instead.

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  • @klownshed said:
    NS2 is my favourite sequencer by far on iOS. I wish it had audio tracks (I’d have been happier with NS2 had it been released with audio tracks but no Obsidian or Slate — I’d happily have bought those separately as auv3s.)

    BlocsWave is probably my most used app on iOS. Loops I make anywhere else end up there and BW + Launchpad are my favourite apps to work out arrangement ideas.

    Once I have a song idea started and it is taking shape I tend to finish it in Logic Pro X.

    I do sometimes use NS2 as an intermediary before going to Logic as well; I use slate to trigger loops exported from BlocsWave and I build the arrangement there and then add tracks sequenced from NS2 before exporting the lot as audio to Logic.

    I use a load of different apps for sound design/drum loops etc, AUM or standalone apps and just keep saving loops to iCloud Drive.

    I tend to make loops when I’m just noodling about in an app without a specific ulterior motive and forget about it until the loop will pop up in BlocsWave one day and kickstart a new tune.

    One thing that has surprised me is that I hardly use my iPad for audio stuff anymore. I use my iPhone far more now. I got an iPad Air 4 expecting to use it for music a lot and I’ve just let in using my iPhone predominantly instead.

    That’ll probably change over time but now I’m very much iPhone to Logic or novation circuit to Logic or Roland Jd-Xi to Logic instead.

    With a few differences but with greater similarities, this is pretty much the direction I’m also heading

  • @klownshed said:
    One thing that has surprised me is that I hardly use my iPad for audio stuff anymore. I use my iPhone far more now. I got an iPad Air 4 expecting to use it for music a lot and I’ve just let in using my iPhone predominantly instead.

    I have experienced something like this as well. In my case the iPad 6 Mini + desktop combo has replaced use of the iPad Air 4. Basically the desktop now gets used when I would have otherwise used the Air 4.

  • edited November 2021

    Zenbeats for me.

    • It’s got Clip/loops and timeline, for me it’s the most inmediate and fun DAW.
    • Great integrated drum sequencer and a nice set of Synths, sounds and effects.
    • Very good and seamless pitch shifting and timestreching, you can also preview loops and files in context with the current tempo.
    • It treats loops as actual “loops” in the timeline, this is a must. Working with a loop shouldn’t mean copying a sequence x times like in Cubasis, it’s a horrible way or working.

    It’s missing many features like bus groups, sidechaining, the UI is “questionable “, but overall it’s the most complete.
    Special mention to Auria Pro. Still uncontested in audio editing, warping, buses… But it just feels dated and too much like protools, you wish you had a mouse. No fun factor, sadly. I wished the merged Zenbeats and Auria to make the one daw to rule them all…

    I also love AUM + LK for “let’s see what happens” mood.

  • edited November 2021

    I wrote this in April 2019…..

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/32414/daw-concept-on-ios-is-obsolete/p1

    Then, Drambo, Aum multi-out, LK, Atom 2, Loopy pro

    After all the hate, I’m thinking I was right.

  • edited November 2021

    I started making music again last year (after a gap of 15 years) with Korg Gadget, having bought various apps over the years when on sale with the Intention of starting one day and lockdown provided me the perfect opportunity.

    The 16 bar limit eventually became annoying enough to move to cubasis, but Gadget is perfect for quickly trying out ideas, the scene based layout makes rearranging or repeating sections of your track a breeze, I feel like it’s tailored for making edm.

    It’s got an excellent variety of sounds and if you buy the other Korg synths, like mono poly, iMS-20 etc.. they integrate seamlessly with pretty low cpu.

    The internal fx are a bit rubbish, particularly the eq and I’ve found that the overall mix can be a bit flat which you have to compensate for.

    I ended up hooking up gadget with aum to control other auv3 synths via midi and because aum is so awesome, it’s a pretty manageable thing to work with, relaunching your session for example, where aum opens all apps for you makes returning to a project straightforward. Occasionally, gadget would lose the midi output mappings, minor annoyance but if you label everything it’s easy to get back to where you were.

    I’m now using cubasis and hardly looked back. I will say that if I had not collected a ton of auv3 apps, the transition to cubasis would have been disappointing and initially I did miss monopoly, phoenix and Dublin. Sure, you can dial them in via IAA but it’s a bit of a faff.

    In comparison, the overall mix in cubasis is cleaner and doesn’t get as mushy (maybe due to 24 bit internally?). Having access to far more competent plugins for fx and eq is a win but I miss the audio routing options I had in aum, like routing audio through multiple buses. I hope Steinberg will one day let you send audio from one group to another group and so on.

    The scene based layout can be replicated if you organise your tracks into 4/8/16 groups but copying and pasting them is nowhere near as fast or convenient and with a large track is can become a bit overwhelming.

    I find that I spend a bit too much time managing the layout of my tracks which can kill productivity.

    That said, I'm very happy with cubasis. It scales really well and it seems to take large projects in its stride (last track I finished was 10 minutes long with about 80+ tracks).

    It has also become a lot more stable, but when it does crash or hang a quick restart is fast and easy enough.

  • @McD Staffpad seems really intriguing given that I’m moving toward making music for video games and tv shows. I wonder if universal is anywhere on the horizon for the app.

  •  Garageband

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  • ApeMatrix + GarageBand.

  • GB…and finally able to consistently finish songs in it

  • edited November 2021

    @tahiche said:
    Zenbeats for me.

    • It’s got Clip/loops and timeline, for me it’s the most inmediate and fun DAW.
    • Great integrated drum sequencer and a nice set of Synths, sounds and effects.
    • Very good and seamless pitch shifting and timestreching, you can also preview loops and files in context with the current tempo.
    • It treats loops as actual “loops” in the timeline, this is a must. Working with a loop shouldn’t mean copying a sequence x times like in Cubasis, it’s a horrible way or working.

    It’s missing many features like bus groups, sidechaining, the UI is “questionable “, but overall it’s the most complete.

    >

    Well said @tahiche. After more than enough DAW-hopping, I’m settling into Zenbeats for the reasons you gave and more. The UI was off putting at first but with time it’s become quicker to navigate than any other. It loads and presents plug-ins well and it’s platform agnostic so I can run it on the iPad, iPhone, and Mac. Plus Roland releases useful new content nearly every week.

    I should add that I love BM3 and, of course, AUM.

  • Bought cubasis. So will see what an Aum. Drambo. Mtr. Neon. Cubasis. BM3. MTD combo is like.

  • edited November 2021

    Torn between BM3 and NS2. On paper BM3 is more powerful in ways that really matter to me but gosh darn it my NS2 tracks sound so much better because the creative flow is so much nicer…. Also, now that Koala is an AU I really should get back into NS2.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Torn between BM3 and NS2. On paper BM3 is more powerful in ways that really matter to me but gosh darn it my NS2 tracks sound so much better because the creative flow is so much nicer…. Also, now that Koala is an AU I really should get back into NS2.

    Try Neon in NS2 if you have it. For me it’s way better than MTR because you’re using NS2’s clips to trigger it so you still have (what I consider the best) arrangement capabilities of NS2 rather than trying to do it within MTR. I was able to record into Neon by hosting NS2 in AUM using Link and then putting Neon in a second track although this isn’t usually part of my workflow so I didn’t really spend much time on that.

    So far Neon is working better for me than other things I’ve tried and warping in Neon doesn’t sound too bad within reason. I could do it all in Slate except the NS2 audio editor (which is very useful otherwise) doesn’t have the warping functions. Still figuring out workflows but Neon is looking pretty good as a way of bringing “audio tracks” to NS2 compared to other things I’ve tried.

  • edited November 2021

    @anickt said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Torn between BM3 and NS2. On paper BM3 is more powerful in ways that really matter to me but gosh darn it my NS2 tracks sound so much better because the creative flow is so much nicer…. Also, now that Koala is an AU I really should get back into NS2.

    Try Neon in NS2 if you have it. For me it’s way better than MTR because you’re using NS2’s clips to trigger it so you still have (what I consider the best) arrangement capabilities of NS2 rather than trying to do it within MTR. I was able to record into Neon by hosting NS2 in AUM using Link and then putting Neon in a second track although this isn’t usually part of my workflow so I didn’t really spend much time on that.

    So far Neon is working better for me than other things I’ve tried and warping in Neon doesn’t sound too bad within reason. I could do it all in Slate except the NS2 audio editor (which is very useful otherwise) doesn’t have the warping functions. Still figuring out workflows but Neon is looking pretty good as a way of bringing “audio tracks” to NS2 compared to other things I’ve tried.

    Yah I did try MTR in NS2 and really did not like it. What I like about Koala is all your samples get saved in the NS2 project file. That is huge for me as I like easy backups and wipes / restores of the ipad.

    If slate allowed for non- destructive highlighting of ranges of long wav files I would not think to use Koala.

  • apeMatrix is worth a look if you use hardware and need MIDI clock sync and more control over latency compensation for each plugin.

  • @klownshed said:
    BlocsWave is probably my most used app on iOS. Loops I make anywhere else end up there and BW + Launchpad are my favourite apps to work out arrangement ideas.

    I do sometimes use NS2 as an intermediary before going to Logic as well; I use slate to trigger loops exported from BlocsWave and I build the arrangement there and then add tracks sequenced from NS2 before exporting the lot as audio to Logic.

    I use a load of different apps for sound design/drum loops etc, AUM or standalone apps and just keep saving loops to iCloud Drive.

    I tend to make loops when I’m just noodling about in an app without a specific ulterior motive and forget about it until the loop will pop up in BlocsWave one day and kickstart a new tune.

    I'm interested in getting Blocs Wave for a similar kind of workflow separating loops making sessions and quick arrangements with Blocs Wave. As Loopy Pro is coming out soon though I wonder if it also may be able to do many of Blocs Waves' features that enables this line of workflow?

  • @Schmotown said:

    @tahiche said:
    Zenbeats for me.

    • It’s got Clip/loops and timeline, for me it’s the most inmediate and fun DAW.
    • Great integrated drum sequencer and a nice set of Synths, sounds and effects.
    • Very good and seamless pitch shifting and timestreching, you can also preview loops and files in context with the current tempo.
    • It treats loops as actual “loops” in the timeline, this is a must. Working with a loop shouldn’t mean copying a sequence x times like in Cubasis, it’s a horrible way or working.

    It’s missing many features like bus groups, sidechaining, the UI is “questionable “, but overall it’s the most complete.

    >

    We’ll said @tahiche. After more than enough DAW-hopping, I’m settling into Zenbeats for the reasons you gave and more. The UI was off putting at first but with time it’s become quicker to navigate than any other. It loads and presents plug-ins well and it’s platform agnostic so I can run it on the iPad, iPhone, and Mac. Plus Roland releases useful new content nearly every week.

    I should add that I love BM3 and, of course, AUM.

    D’you think we should all just each get a Roland MV-1 Verselab and be done with it?

  • I haven't read the other comments yet, but I'm usually using Gadget for my composing and rudimentary mixing (I mean, I did invest hundreds of dollars into the Gadget ecosystem!!!), and Cubasis 3 for my mastering (with MagicDeathEyeStereo, Barkfilter Tripleband, and TB Barricade as my plugins of choice).

  • @tja said:
    @jrjulius Do you mean "Multitrack Studio" by Cosey Management LLC or "MultitrackStudio for iPad" from Giel Bremmers?

    As you wrote 2 seperate words, I assume the first?

    Oops no, I’m using the Giel Bremmers one! Didn’t realize there was an app with such a similar name. Once it’s installed, it shows as “MTS Studio” so I never really thought about the spacing.

  • @jrjulius said:

    @tja said:
    @jrjulius Do you mean "Multitrack Studio" by Cosey Management LLC or "MultitrackStudio for iPad" from Giel Bremmers?

    As you wrote 2 seperate words, I assume the first?

    Oops no, I’m using the Giel Bremmers one! Didn’t realize there was an app with such a similar name. Once it’s installed, it shows as “MTS Studio” so I never really thought about the spacing.

    Or do you mean Mul Tit Rack Studio?

  • I’ve started using Beatly Pro as my primary app for composition. Then I use AUM to apply additional processing to the loops.

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  • @u0421793 said:

    @Schmotown said:

    @tahiche said:
    Zenbeats for me.

    • It’s got Clip/loops and timeline, for me it’s the most inmediate and fun DAW.
    • Great integrated drum sequencer and a nice set of Synths, sounds and effects.
    • Very good and seamless pitch shifting and timestreching, you can also preview loops and files in context with the current tempo.
    • It treats loops as actual “loops” in the timeline, this is a must. Working with a loop shouldn’t mean copying a sequence x times like in Cubasis, it’s a horrible way or working.

    It’s missing many features like bus groups, sidechaining, the UI is “questionable “, but overall it’s the most complete.

    >

    We’ll said @tahiche. After more than enough DAW-hopping, I’m settling into Zenbeats for the reasons you gave and more. The UI was off putting at first but with time it’s become quicker to navigate than any other. It loads and presents plug-ins well and it’s platform agnostic so I can run it on the iPad, iPhone, and Mac. Plus Roland releases useful new content nearly every week.

    I should add that I love BM3 and, of course, AUM.

    D’you think we should all just each get a Roland MV-1 Verselab and be done with it?

    No way!. I was curious and looking forward to the MV-1 when it came out. Total disappointment. IMO completely wrong approach. It has a ridiculously low audio recording time per project and it’s not even a proper hands-on controller for Zenbeats.

  • edited November 2021

    Jamming and live performance with AUM, LK, Rozeta, Cykle, Riffer. Usually also using my hardware: Uno Synth, MicroFreak, BeatStep Pro, Launchpad X

    Tracks with Cubasis 3

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