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Newbie Q, need advise what app i need for live performance
hi all , I have an ipad air 3 with sampletank ios, korg module pro, ravenscroft, and a few other soft synths. i need a way to layer/split different synth apps for live use. I have been using sampletank ios recently and they have a "multi" function for live use and is very user friendly. i can setup multiple patches per song, and switch patches on the fly. but am not happy with being restricted to just using sampletank sounds and would like to use different apps simultaneously and recall patches easily like in sampletank. I have been reading about audiobus and AUM, and although it seems both can do layer/split different apps together, i havent seen any info if you can save setups/patches in either app for fast switching in live use...please advise and thanks
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Both AUM and Audiobus can save and load both sessions (multiple apps) or individual app presets via midi for AUv3 apps. AUM has the advantage of more advanced audio and midi routing. Audiobus has the advantage of being able to save the “state” of some non-AUv3 apps that AUM can’t.
State saving means that when you reload a session apps are loaded with the same settings they had when you saved the session. Non AUv3 apps such as SampleTank can’t save their state. Some can save their state in Audiobus, but SampleTank isn’t one of them.
But, all is not lost as far as SampleTank. It can accept Midi Program Change messages to load presets, so you can still do what you need to.
You did say one thing that leads me to say AUM might be a better fit. Keyboard splits. AUM makes this a piece of cake.
Either should do the job. I use AudioBus for live performance for the excellent clock sync implementation and I know that there’s very well implemented patch change by MIDI functionality. AUM has reached a state of maturity too where I wouldn’t be surprised if it was possible there as well.
thanks for the replies wim and oscar, i see either app would be suffice, and if it works i wouldnt need sampletank (or at least its "multi" function). another thing is if theres latency when switching "states" or save setups, since ill be changing sounds on the fly
There will definitely be loading time if you load an entire session. If you’re just changing presets and not loading and unloading apps then generally it’ll be fine, though there will be at least a little delay. Some apps load presets quicker than others.
If you’re using Icegear apps then they make some awesome noises when changing presets!
You just need to change patches, or the split function is important?
For that, you would need to midi filter some keys to an app and the others to other app...
So trying to understand exactly your needs to further make suggestions
MK Extreme would be my recommendation if you’re using AUv3 apps, based on the list you mentioned above. This is great if you’re ONLY using synths, as opposed to MIDI AUv3 apps.
I personally like Audiobus because I can switch between IAA and AUv3 apps easily because of the overhead bar. Really handy when using my phone.
AUM would be the better overall choice because it supports AUv3, IAA, and allows you to do lot of advanced controls.
Boy, this is the truth. I sometimes switch patches in Lagrange or Kronecker just to hear the switching weirdness. I’ve always aspired to actually work that weirdness into a tune.
The Moog apps too.
Not all the presets but I feel like I should be ready with the record button to try to get it in AudioShare to use as a sample.
Haha. You should. Just sequence program changes instead of midi notes.
both, im in a cover band and we do lots of new wave medleys so i max out the 8 slots in sampletank and sometimes need to switch multi patches to cover 1 whole medley, so seamless switching is a must. i only use 1 61key controller so i create multiple zones just to cover a song in a medley like “save your tears” by weeknd. and would separate sngs by switching midi channels so i can have all slots engaged in sampletank instead of turning them on/off manually
Well that's an idea! I think we've just hit on this weekend's fun experiment!
i'm no expert in this. Been a long time since I played something live
But it seems you need a midi filter. I had the Midiflow apps, but they are focused on Audiobus
I guess the best bet for you would be something like Midi Tools
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midi-tools/id1446209019
I don't have it, so I can't drop some knowledge on it's usage, but check the description/features
BTW, shame on me. I should've gotten it already...
just in case, @blueveek is the dev, maybe he can shine some light on it's use in your case
Please post results
MIDI Tools is great. On the other hand, AUM has everything needed for keyboard splits built-in.
just got AUM, will get audiobus also shortly…how many instances til it starts taxing the cpu and gets glithcy? i may need an ipad pro if my ipad air 3 cant handle more than 10
There's no set answer for that. It depends on the apps, the polyphony, and even which patches you're using. There is also the factor of how much latency you can handle. The higher the latency, the more you can get away with.
You can only find out by thorough testing.
Something to keep in mind as a possibility ... two iPads instead of one. Bouncing between the two might be a way around loading times for apps and patches, hardware limitations, and also provide a plan B if anything goes wonky on one of the iPads. It does complicate routing and mixing issues though of course. But I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.
Hello. Try the Keystage. It’s strictly oriented to live gigging. Even there is a little tutorial for using it with SampleTank.
just checked out the tutorial, this is absolutely perfect!, integrates with sampletank, split/layer/transpose functions, seamless audio transitiions, and even a song timeline for easy one touch sound patching…thanks for this solution!