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Retrospective recording - tips and workflow thoughts
One thing in the Loopy Pro that has clearly sparked my interest and yielded some interesting results is Retrospective Recording.
Some initial thoughts:
- It's just impressive! I've never run across it before.
- This might just beat the performance recording features I'm used to, such as "Punch In", count in, "virtual takes", etc. All of these have that moment you set up when Red means recording (apologies to Jeremy). And sometimes it goes OK. And sometimes you choke or blow it. But retrospective means you just record it only if you felt the moment was cool.
- With Loopy Pro, the next time I try it, I'll probably at least double the bars I expect to use. If I'm really improvising or making stuff up on the fly, I'd rather error on the side of going too long, and crop it down if I like it later.
Anyway, this is very new to me. Your thoughts?
- Joe
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BTW, in searching to see if their was a "Retrospective" topic already, I ran across "Retrospective MIDI". And, yeah, that's be nice, too. But TBH, I still haven't dived enough into MIDI composition to say I'd use that yet.
I really like retrospective recording, but not all the time and I don't like menu diving when I do feel it's the way to go. So I set up a template with buttons at hand to set the master length and to trigger a retrospective dump. The only thing I need to pre-think is the master clock length.
Then it's just play until you get something worth keeping, and then two taps.
The only downside is I don't think FX tails and outros work with retrospective recording.
One of my main reasons for purchase tbh.
I have been trying to get it right in other apps, and usually failed for various reasons (most often because it wasn't those apps main feature) but in LP it is done "right". Also, learning from Wims posts I am trying out his approach of having a fluid workflow around the retrospective stuff as I too learnt that it indeed works as it should, but that I don't necessarily wish for it to be enabled all the time, so thanks @wim for good and educational posts on the topic (along with example project etc).
Here's the template I like to use, as an example. The buttons at the top-right set the master length. Tapping the Retrospective button makes the layout animate to prompt you to tap a loop or cancel. You can either pre-arm this, or just do two taps after that golden take. I don't like to pre-arm this as the jumping around animation is distracting.
I have the default settings to not retrospective record, so retrospective is only done through these buttons.
https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/ua/wzd2uvvvj7el.jpeg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx3bx15nbhljdar/4x4 Grid with Scenes v0.2.lpproj?dl=0
or ... zip file if you have issues with open-in with Chrome browser.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nfadosmg0541u8h/4x4 Grid with Scenes v0.2.zip?dl=0
Nice! Thanks for the feedback and the templates.
Appears that we'll have lots of interesting setup and workflow ideas for years to come via Loopy.
If retrospective looping is new for anyone i suggest checking out Endlesss.
Its standalone, focused on collaborative realtime jamming and has the best and intuitive retrospective looping out there. You actually see the audio waveform coming in and you tap 1/2/8/16 on the clip.
Its brilliant in many ways and i hope Loopy Pro will adopt some of the approaches because Endlesss is king at retrospective looping. And it has been out there for a while.
This visual feedback for retrospective kooping is missing in loopy pro. I'm pretty sure it can be added. You basicly need to show the live input as waveform on a retrospective clip.
I like to add a gesture (like a two finger tap) that triggers retro recording. So then on all loops you can either do synced phase recordings or retro recording just based on the gesture you are using.
That is completely doable. You could assign a swipe gesture, long-press, or double-tap, for instance to a clip, and designate that as retro record. There are many gestures to choose from. Two finger tap is one of them.
And one can set different gestures for different lengths of retro recording, too.
How?
Reviving this thread to say that retrospective MIDI recording (currently in the beta) is amazing with hardware. I missed having it on my OP-XY, so I set things up so that I can midi capture the last few bars from the XY in LP, and then play them back to the XY.
It makes a huge difference. It gives you Ableton-style midi capture for hardware.